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04-25-2007, 03:42 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Simply complimenting him on presenting his version of truth.
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Whats your version?
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04-25-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Whats your version?
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Truth is truth.
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04-25-2007, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
You go ACTEON ... great copy and paste job from the 'new' water and spirit doctrine theologians.
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Whats wrong with it?
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It's truth and light. It hurts and causes pain in darkness.
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-25-2007, 03:52 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OGIA
It's truth and light. It hurts and causes pain in darkness.
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I'm just concerned for all the origanal translators of the KJV bible, how was God able to use them to keep his word from generation to generation. If God wasn't able to use men for this then the whole world is in trouble.
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04-25-2007, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
I'm just concerned for all the origanal translators of the KJV bible,
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I'm concerned for those who wrestle the scriptures to their own demise, especially those who proclaim to have once known truth.
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-25-2007, 05:16 PM
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A list can be compiled of those that believe the inverse ... it means nothing ...
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04-25-2007, 05:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
A list can be compiled of those that believe the inverse ... it means nothing ...
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My Greek grammar book by Mounce defines "eis" as in, into, among. The diagram given on page 60 to aid in memorization shows the word "eis" as going into, going towards, not looking back or going away from.
Dan, you are being misled on this one.
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04-25-2007, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
My Greek grammar book by Mounce defines "eis" as in, into, among. The diagram given on page 60 to aid in memorization shows the word "eis" as going into, going towards, not looking back or going away from.
Dan, you are being misled on this one.
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Even A. T. Robertson who all the faith only folks use confesses that it would usually mean in order to or into but since baptism has nothing to do with salvation it can't mean that. But look at how he uses 'eis' everywhere else.
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04-25-2007, 05:33 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: middle Atlantic region
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
My Greek grammar book by Mounce defines "eis" as in, into, among. The diagram given on page 60 to aid in memorization shows the word "eis" as going into, going towards, not looking back or going away from.
Dan, you are being misled on this one.
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IMO, he is not mislead about 'into' remission/forgiveness, he has determined that baptism is a work where "a work" is defined as something you do to obtain salvation.
To cloud the specifics of his position he indicates that baptism is an act of obedience that is somehow not a work OR His words seem to indicate that water baptism is essential (to be obedient) but has no operation in our salvation.
My best effort to interprete the gospel of Dan (and certainly others here);
Water baptism is something you must do, but if you don't, OH WELL. You really should have but your salvation has nothing to do with it!
Dan will answer for the many words that he teaches and we answer for ours.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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04-25-2007, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
IMO, he is not mislead about 'into' remission/forgiveness, he has determined that baptism is a work where "a work" is defined as something you do to obtain salvation.
To cloud the specifics of his position he indicates that baptism is an act of obedience that is somehow not a work OR His words seem to indicate that water baptism is essential (to be obedient) but has no operation in our salvation.
My best effort to interprete the gospel of Dan (and certainly others here);
Water baptism is something you must do, but if you don't, OH WELL. You really should have but your salvation has nothing to do with it!
Dan will answer for the many words that he teaches and we answer for ours.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying he or others believe "OH WELL". He believes baptism has nothing to do with salvation but must be obeyed otherwise you are at risk of losing your salvation because you are not obeying the will of God.
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