Race Card Anyone

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Where is it institutionalized? Are you speaking of private companies or government? I suppose there may be some who would feel that what little Affirmative Action we do have is a balance to the scales (but it's really not a balance) to most places where one has no chance to be hired if they are not white.

Interestingly, though, there are a few people who rose to great prominence either partially or completely due to Affirmative Action:

1) Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court)
2) Walter E. Williams (frequent substitute for Rush Limbaugh)
3) Colin Powell (Military General)

Where is it institutionalized? Universities

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My Dad retired from the government and got his PHd..it took years to get a teaching position because he was a white man. The job always went to a woman or some other minority. I call that discrimination

Doesn't mean as much if against whites.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Except that we have institutionalized racism called "Affirmative Action", where a fully qualified white man will not even be considered for hiring because he is white and male.

On the flip side, without AFA many wouldn't have had a chance to excel. Maybe it needs to change as times change, I guess.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

On the flip side, without AFA many wouldn't have had a chance to excel. Maybe it needs to change as times change, I guess.

Actually even on the flip side many did not have the chance to excel, both whites and non-whites.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where is it institutionalized? Universities

Which is exactly where I, very much, support it.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Where is it institutionalized? Are you speaking of private companies or government? I suppose there may be some who would feel that what little Affirmative Action we do have is a balance to the scales (but it's really not a balance) to most places where one has no chance to be hired if they are not white.

Interestingly, though, there are a few people who rose to great prominence either partially or completely due to Affirmative Action:

1) Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court)
2) Walter E. Williams (frequent substitute for Rush Limbaugh)
3) Colin Powell (Military General)

Resident Obama
Eric Holder

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Which is exactly where I, very much, support it.

The Supreme Court decision said that universities have an interest in diversity on the campus and can make their decision, in part, on race. The problem comes in when there is more than one minority group or when the minority is a large part of a local population, like the Asians population in the Bay Area and surrounding communities, and they (minorities) with all the qualifications are discriminated against to allow other minorities that are less qualified in.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, he wasn't. He was not on trial. OJ was shown to have a propensity to commit violence against his wife. He had beaten her before! Saying the N word is not a crime. Beating the cr@p out of your wife is!

The reason for his testimony being weak is that he perjured himself, not that he was a racist. The prosecution could have validated Furhman's testimony. The problem was more to do with the prosecution and the LAPD's ineptness

The reason why he perjured himself, I believe, stems from his prejudiced views and racist actions.

Any attempt of the Prosecution to attempt to validate Furhman's testimony would have risked attempting to validate a man that is clearly racist-- which would not have worked well in most places in America today, given the circumstances of THIS case.

Yes Furhman perjured himself, but his racist actions and racially prejudiced views are what made him an anathema to the Prosecution's case.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's because people on the left of this issue operate on emotions not objective facts

Praxeas,

In this discussion, have I appeared to operate on emotions and not on facts?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.

You did not ask me, but I will answer.


Historically speaking, whites have used the laws and the institutions of this country to oppress non-whites. Even when the prejudice was not mal-intentioned (like lowered expectations because of skin color alone), the sting of that was perpetuated across the board and felt across the board until you had a country which had written "her citizens of color a bad check," to borrow words from Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Historically, blacks were simply not given the same tools, same chances, same opportunities for upward mobility in our society. That limitation was effected by a wide variety of means, and not necessarily always in concert.


RACISM is SYSTEMIC-- blacks have NEVER BEEN ABLE TO USE "THE SYSTEM" IN A WAY TO TARGET WHITES, to prevent them from voting, to stymie economic progress, to bring destruction to their families and communities. However, the results of white prejudice in this country has culminated in all of this and more for blacks in America!

Despite our TREMENDOUS PROGRESS, the realities of some blacks today are the direct results of RACISM-- that systemic racial prejudice that has plagued our country for over two hundred years.

A group of thugs beating up a white kid just because he is white is terrible-- but IT IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE SYSTEMIC! Neither will it EVER be codified by law!


Racial prejudice is different from racism.

Both are wrong.

Racism implies POWER hatred, and ignorance.

Prejudice implies hatred and ignorance.