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11-03-2007, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I am not at all comfortable with such an analogy.
A much better comparision to the Amish/Mennonites would be to the non-"Born Again" Christians such as the Lutherans Episcapalians, or Reformed groups.
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You're analogy isn't quite clear to me. I'm not sure who is supposed to be whom. 
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11-03-2007, 07:39 PM
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Do they speak Pennsylvania Dutch so as to separate themselves from regular society?
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No, but it does have that effect. It is because they change very slowly in all things. Many Penn. Dutch communities that are three hundred years old still know and speak the old language - at least to some degree - this is true even for the non Christians. It's just the the Mennonites and Amish have kept a more traditional stance across the board.
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11-03-2007, 07:43 PM
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I wrote a question on an Amish/Mennonite board I am on about how Amish/Mennonite churches deal with the question of domestic abuse. They wouldn't post my post saying that the question was not appropriate for the board but the older man who runs the board and is looked up to for his great wisdom told me he would answer me privately. I never heard from him again. He answers questions just like my old pastor used to!!
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11-03-2007, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ILG
You're analogy isn't quite clear to me. I'm not sure who is supposed to be whom. |
Sorry.
I would compare the Amish/Mennonites to Lutherans, Episcapalians, or Reformed groups who do not refer to themselves as "Born- Again" Evangelicals.
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11-03-2007, 07:47 PM
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Okay, I was just wondering because I think the "being frowned upon" would be very similar to the UPC way of handling "errant" people. They are going to eat with you and all and people who are true friends are still going to love you but there are many who might declare you bitter and rebellious with self-righteous indignation.  I have experienced the disapproval of loved ones without religion in the mix and it feels differently than that. I think it is much better and speaks for itself. So, I guess in my mind now I see three tier levels. 1. Amish shunning 2. Self-righteous church people looking down their nose and 3. People who really love you and do not judge but just wish you had chosen differently. |
I would say you pegged it exactly. I may have a few of the #2's but mostly my family and extended family is in the third catagory.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Sorry.
I would compare the Amish/Mennonites to Lutherans, Episcapalians, or Reformed groups who do not refer to themselves as "Born- Again" Evangelicals.
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I would too. I wasn't comparing plain to Mormons. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I was just trying to make a comparison about religion vs relationship.
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11-03-2007, 07:49 PM
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For some reason, this just struck me as hilarious! Telephone forums!!! That's great.  |
It is very interesting! They have crashed the lines several times - including when the PA. school shooting occurred.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ILG
I would too. I wasn't comparing plain to Mormons. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I was just trying to make a comparison about religion vs relationship.
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Glad we agree on this. Far it be from me to say most Lutherans or Mennonites are not saved.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Margies3
Gotcha! Thanks for unraveling this mystery for me
By the way, we have a missionary at our church this weekend from Mali, West Africa. We took her to dinner tonight. Guess where she requested to go? Yep, Don Pablo I can't go there anymore without thinking about our delightful dinner with you and your family. What a nice time!! |
Awe.... that makes me miss you guys too! Have a blessed Sun. and please tell Walt hello.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I would say you pegged it exactly. I may have a few of the #2's but mostly my family and extended family is in the third catagory.
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Which is why you can say you loved your upbringing and look back with some admiration, I think. If they were all angry and resentful towards you or treated you like you were dead, it would probably be a different story. I think that's one reason I have been so angry with my UPC experience. Not only was it an awful experience pretty much start to finish, and not only did we give more than we even had emotionally, financially and otherwise but when we walked out the door very, very few even noticed or cared. I have no intention of ever going back. My husband can't prove this....but he thinks the cancer he is experiencing now is caused by the stress we lived through in the UPC. I have a tendency to agree. The whole thing grieves me. It's just a part of my life I will put in a box and chalk it up to experience.
My mother looks at her strict Catholic upbringing much the same way you look at your OOM upbringing. She is still Catholic and greatly respects the faith of her parents. Since my Dad never went to church it was not the same for me.
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