You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[Falla39]

Acts 10:15.
God had to tell Peter the second time to not call common what HE had made
clean. There is no difference in Jew or Gentile, when they are IN CHRIST!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Acts 10:15.
God had to tell Peter the second time to not call common what HE had made
clean. There is no difference in Jew or Gentile, when they are IN CHRIST!

Sister there is NO disagreement on this. Those in Christ Jew-Gentile-bond-free-male-female ALL are baptized into Christ thus becoming ONE church.
However evidently there is some distinctions or Paul would not have named them. For instance two Holy Ghost filled men cannot marry why they are still men though they have the Holy Ghost. And for the first 15 chapters in Acts the distinctions are there with Jew and Gentile in time it finally ceased mainly because the number of Jewish members became less and less and the new converts became overwhelmingly Gentile until today it is a rarity to find Jews in the church.
The bond did not become free upon recieving the Holy Ghost with the exception of being free from sin. And the free did not become bond except being bound to Jesus.
Yet in Christ all are made one by the one baptism.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

And now we see how Eld. Epley believes some of the things he does, and how he can claim they are biblical even though he cannot give any scriptures that actually say what he claims. Wow!!

Post the passage? Seems clear to me.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by afp1996

That would be correct. However, in Dispensational doctrine, there is a distinction between the Gentile Church and the Jewish Church of the End Time. The purpose and salvation plans are different and in true Dispensational fashion they are the wives of two different persons, the Father and the Son.

I cannot aline myself with this type of teaching. Therefore dispensational doctrine is not in line with the Apostles Doctrine.

I thought James and Peter were Apostles?
"Simeon hath declared how God at THE FIRST did visit the GENTILES to TAKE OUT OF THEM a people for His NAME" Acts 15:13

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

So RISE KILL AND EAT is lying down together???? Talk about a stretch????

My goodness, Eld Epley, do you actually believe the emphasis is on the "LYING DOWN"?? Wow!

The entire issue about the wolf and the lamb, the leopard and the kid, the young lion and the fatted calf, and etc., is about the various natures getting along together in God's kingdom. The Book of Acts makes this very clear in the account of Peter's vision. Please, read these real slowly....

Act 10:11-13
(11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
(12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
(13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Act 10:17
(17) Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Act 10:28
(28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Act 10:34-35
(34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
(35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.Act 11:9
(9) But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Act 15:14-17
(14) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
(15) And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
(16) After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
(17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Look at how the above is contributed to Paul's writings as seen here...

Rom 14:11-17
(11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
(12) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
(13) Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
(14) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
(15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
(16) Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
(17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Gal 3:26-29
(26) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Col 3:10-11
(10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
(11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

There is more I could say about the “rise, kill, and eat” and the Jewish Laws of Kashroot (keeping Kosher), but the above is probably more than enough for you right now.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Evidently Paul didn't get this message if he had only had you Preterist guys to have helped him.
".....it was NECESSARY that the word of God should FIRST be spoken to you...." Acts 13:46 several YEARS after Calvary.
"............to the Jew FIRST......" Rom. 1:16
No distinctions?

"....Jews, to the Gentiles, nor to the Church of God." 1Cor. 10:32

Eld. Epley, you are exhausting. Like afp1996 said, we spend more time answering what you claim we say then what we actually do say. You are a master of misrepresentation, so you take the lion's share of most of this....

PLEASE try something very unique to you and READ WHAT I DID SAY...

Originally Posted by TK Burk

According to Matthew 28:19, the whole Church is gentile. The word "nations" there is the Greek word "Ethnos." That word means "non-Jewish, heathen, gentile people." Jesus eradicated nationalities at the cross. After that, you were either in the kingdom of darkness, or in the kingdom of light. This is why Paul wrote there is no Jew or Greek. Of course the people were still of the same background, but spiritually they were forever seen differently.

Eld. Epley, you are a bit too long into the ministry to keep making these same mistakes over and over. Doesn't it bother you even a little bit when you tell bogus things about people and their beliefs?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Father and Son are the same and He does NOT have two wives. Another fallacy. That myself as a dispensationalist does NOT believe.

Eld. Epley, the Trinity is widely known to be the source of Dispensationalism. Here is how it is taught: God the Father gets the Jewish bride. God the Son gets the Gentile bride. God the Holy Ghost gets the Milennium bride.

You yourself teach there is at least TWO BRIDES. Where did that come from?

Sorry Eld. Epley, but this is just another example of you not being up on your facts.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sister there is NO disagreement on this. Those in Christ Jew-Gentile-bond-free-male-female ALL are baptized into Christ thus becoming ONE church.
However evidently there is some distinctions or Paul would not have named them. For instance two Holy Ghost filled men cannot marry why they are still men though they have the Holy Ghost. And for the first 15 chapters in Acts the distinctions are there with Jew and Gentile in time it finally ceased mainly because the number of Jewish members became less and less and the new converts became overwhelmingly Gentile until today it is a rarity to find Jews in the church.
The bond did not become free upon recieving the Holy Ghost with the exception of being free from sin. And the free did not become bond except being bound to Jesus.
Yet in Christ all are made one by the one baptism.

WHAT? Eld. Epley, you don't even understand this?

Eld. Epley, haven't you ever studied the New Covenant? It is about ALL MEN AND WOMEN having equal access to God through Jesus Christ.

Without a working understanding of this basic tenet of the New Covenant, it’s little wonder why you’re so confused about many of these other issues.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I thought James and Peter were Apostles?
"Simeon hath declared how God at THE FIRST did visit the GENTILES to TAKE OUT OF THEM a people for His NAME" Acts 15:13

Yes Brother and when Jesus took them out of the heathen nations where did he put them?

Smack dab in the same Body of Believers, His Body, where there is no distinction.

You see the part you do not understand is that the first two groups of people there are not saved, and as long as they stay in that distinction they will not be saved. It is when that are translated into the Kingdom that they are made sons, where they are near the kingdom (Jews) or far from the kingdom (Gentiles) They are all my one in Christ. Dispensational doctrine does not teach this.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Post the passage? Seems clear to me.

Huh?? Eld. Epley, what are you referring to?? You need to reread the post where this came from.