I have NOT read this thread except for first post and 3 or 4 other threads, have not listened to the sermon...however I have heard some Bible teachers that I enjoed for 2 hours and others I endured....the man...Steve Pixler is a good man. I cannot say anything about the sermon because I have not listened however he is a very intelligent peson, has a growing church. He has a growing church and several outreach churches with good men under him. He is a beautiful singer and good muscian. He has lot of influence so let us pray for him...Maybe at some point I can listen to the sermon and comment. However the times I have heard him speak he is a walking Bible...
He has a wonderful family.., so let pray that he can be a voice for God in a greater way.
Remember he is young (compared to me) so let us pray that his zeal will help build the kingdom of God around the world.
Among pastors that we visit (mostly UC) I find him balanced and think a lot of him. I might not agree with every opinion but I can say right now he is a good man...(and by the way he does not believe in wmen preachers!) However he treats me with great respect. I think that is the way we all ought to be...we may not agree on this or that but respect is something missing in many areas today...and by the way neither do I march to the pulpit acting like a man...ha...
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I'll make it plain, I'm not arguing for longer sermons... I'm not arguing at all. But it concerns me that if a man preaches for two hours someone would say he is not respectful of the people's time. If our gathering together for worship, prayer, preaching always has a time limit...
I am so blessed to attend a church where there is no set cut off time, when God is speaking or the prayer or worship is deep, anyone on a time constraint can simply step out and the rest of us can continue on.
We do live in a different time, a different age. There's no question life is different, especially in North America, than even a few years ago.
But if you think that all these "saints" are downloading sermons and buying books and spending all this time at home on the Word, you're fooling yourself. Any poll today will tell you we spend more time in front of our computers and tv's than we do on our knees, in the Word or in a Worship service or Bible study with our fellow believers.
But if we want what the first century church had in power and growth, we need to take the leash off of our time.
What you value, you put time into.
Not arguing for length of sermons... arguing against the idea that a longer sermon is not respectful of the people's time.
And Randy, some of those comments above weren't directed at "you". I quoted your post and then responded to things others had written as well.
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I've already mentioned that I personally have a problem sitting through a two hour movie, at least if I am not given the chance to stand and walk around a few times, but that is besides the point.....
I would really like to see people talk about the CONTENT of the sermon. Arguing from a "length of time" is akin to the old anti-rock and roll sermons where backwards masking was given prominence above what was said FORWARDS in the lyrics. It ended up making those making the arguments look silly. (OK, the only thing time-wise that irked me is the constant promise to end for half an hour for the sole purpose of getting some "preach it!"'s from the audience.)
I think he DID make some really excellent points, which only made it worse when he built up a logical chain and then immediately abandoned it when it came in conflict with the "manual". I DO believe that apostolics should be leading the way in innovation..... but come on, in what church are apostolics actually encouraged to be all they can be outside of service other then making a pay check that they then are expected to tithe from?
I haven't heard the sermon since the time this thread was started (and don't plan on listening again), so I do not remember all the details.
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pfft... like anyone would do a expository series on Colossians in a UPC church anyhow. They avoid the epistles outside of trigger verses out of fear of going off the edge of their doctrinal map anyhow (here be dragons!). I have yet to hear a UPC pastor teach a multiweek sermon series on any of the epistles especially Romans. Heck they had a hard enough time doing it in bible college in book specific classes without nearly re-writing the entire intention of the book and sticking only to KJV to slant it to their interpretation.
Steve Pixler did one on Romans for a year and a half.
So where exactly is it stated "explicity" that you can't have a TV, but can have the internet, and watch youtube?
He doesn't teach you can't have a TV and make it to heaven. He says it isn't wise. You can live off of candy bars, but it isnt wise. But his feelings on this are strong. Wisdom teaches alot of principles that are not law.
I have NOT read this thread except for first post and 3 or 4 other threads, have not listened to the sermon...however I have heard some Bible teachers that I enjoed for 2 hours and others I endured....the man...Steve Pixler is a good man. I cannot say anything about the sermon because I have not listened however he is a very intelligent peson, has a growing church. He has a growing church and several outreach churches with good men under him. He is a beautiful singer and good muscian. He has lot of influence so let us pray for him...Maybe at some point I can listen to the sermon and comment. However the times I have heard him speak he is a walking Bible...
He has a wonderful family.., so let pray that he can be a voice for God in a greater way.
Remember he is young (compared to me) so let us pray that his zeal will help build the kingdom of God around the world.
Among pastors that we visit (mostly UC) I find him balanced and think a lot of him. I might not agree with every opinion but I can say right now he is a good man...(and by the way he does not believe in wmen preachers!) However he treats me with great respect. I think that is the way we all ought to be...we may not agree on this or that but respect is something missing in many areas today...and by the way neither do I march to the pulpit acting like a man...ha...
God love sis alvear! You nailed him right on. He doesn't judge others that disagree with him, if they believe in 1 God, Jesus name baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost. You are my brother just the same. (or sister for you sis alvear!) And he does respect you highly. When you are present and when you are not.
Bottom line, the HG was given to lead and guide into all truth. Let it lead me, let it lead me, let it lead me!
Let it lead you, and you, and you and you! But because we aren't at the same place gives me no right to judge you.
but come on, in what church are apostolics actually encouraged to be all they can be outside of service other then making a pay check that they then are expected to tithe from?
I haven't heard the sermon since the time this thread was started (and don't plan on listening again), so I do not remember all the details.
He doesn't teach you can't have a TV and make it to heaven. He says it isn't wise. You can live off of candy bars, but it isnt wise. But his feelings on this are strong. Wisdom teaches alot of principles that are not law.
Is that not a catch-22 though? I mean, he says it isn't law, but by him advocating it, and with the idealogy Pentecost has of the "man of God" it has now become law. Would he find it permissible for his assistant, yp and worship leader to have a television?
While he's saying it's not law, it most definitely has the impact of law, and though not explicit, has great implications of being "law." And "where the law is, there is transgression." I respect the way he's approaching the subject, as it seems there's more humility to it than most, but the outcome is still the same: if you have a television, you are carnal and less-spiritual than the rest of us.
BTW, I respectfully disagree about television being "candy bars" anymore than entertainment, book reading, internet surfing or shopping is. Moderation?
I respect men and women who decide not to have a television for whatever reasons to them that are personal, but to make blanket statments about a medium is increasinly becoming difficult to do. The age of internet/tv hybrid is here.
Is that not a catch-22 though? I mean, he says it isn't law, but by him advocating it, and with the idealogy Pentecost has of the "man of God" it has now become law. Would he find it permissible for his assistant, yp and worship leader to have a television?
While he's saying it's not law, it most definitely has the impact of law, and though not explicit, has great implications of being "law." And "where the law is, there is transgression." I respect the way he's approaching the subject, as it seems there's more humility to it than most, but the outcome is still the same: if you have a television, you are carnal and less-spiritual than the rest of us.
BTW, I respectfully disagree about television being "candy bars" anymore than entertainment, book reading, internet surfing or shopping is. Moderation?
I respect men and women who decide not to have a television for whatever reasons to them that are personal, but to make blanket statments about a medium is increasinly becoming difficult to do. The age of internet/tv hybrid is here.
The candy bar, I made that up to make a point. Not to relate entertainment as candy. The point was going to the liquor store to buy something you could get at a place that isn't predominately used to sell liquor.
It could be a catch 22. There are decades of the 'Pastor' sets the 'rules' mentality that needs to be broken. "Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? " Preachers aren't excempt. The rules are set by God and the Bible. Anyone who burdens someone with rules or laws that GOD didn't put in place is guilty of that scripture. That doesnt mean you can't teach what would be wise or unwise.
A pastor is given to the church for edifying the body so they can be used in the work of ministry. Therefore, by the very nature of going to a church and listening to a man preach, you are inherintly expecting him to take the word of God and give you wisdom out of it.
Would he allow this person or that person in leadership have a television... If you are going to have a computer, iPhone, winmobile phone, you have a TV. If you are going to get a nice monitor to play the WII for example, you have a TV. So in one sense, yes he would allow them to 'have' a tv. Then take this to the next level, or to reiterate what I already said, he doesn't dictate what people do or don't do. Though he may find it unwise what they do.
The bible talks about letting people be proved. If someone truly believes it is unwise, it would be folly to promote them. No matter the circumstance.
Thanks for the very approachable 'approach.'
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Maybe in the context of the UC, SP has laid down a liberal perspective, very wise in the current culture. Since very few Americans do not have TV in their homes. Very vise known to man is readily available in this culture, how much better to teach knowledge, wisdom and understand, that folks are empowered "...to live Godly in this present world."
Maybe in the UC world SP is a break from the hardline of legalism to a world of freedom and individual discernment and responsibility. We should all take our "believer status" very seriously, and in our freedom be careful that we do not "...cast of all restraint..."
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