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[rwdeese]

Originally Posted by Dora

This mentality will always be with us, UNFORTUNATELY.

Uneducated preachers offering "shoot from the hip" advise to married couples, or fluffing through a counseling session with a suicidal teenager, or trying to cast demons out of individual with a severe mental disturbance is being called into question by authorities.

Pastors and ministers would do well to study to show themselves approved so they can administer healing and not add to the suffering of those who seek healing and comfort. Proper counseling methods based on biblical principles line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. In my humble opinion, a person should be required to have a degree in Family, marriage and addiction recovery counseling before they can obtain a minister's license.

You assume a great deal. Some of us have more than one degree here.

I have even worked as a professional counselor with a team of 8 other counselors - what a group of unsecure, problem bound, people. These people needed more counseling than those they were counseling. This was at a time in my life that I belived what you believe (i.e. Proper counseling methods based on biblical principles line up with the teachings of Jesus). That is baloney. If you would like, I will give you 50 Scriptures side by side with quotes from the leaders of psychotheraphy. They totally contradict each other.

In my opinion, universities should stop granting degrees in psychology, or change it to "applied philosophy". The 400 theories of psychology prove how unscientific it really is - Christians should avoid that field like the plague!

[Dora]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

It greatly disturbs me that the philosophies of men are placed higher for some than the very Word of God.

The teachings of psych isn't anything new. It is as old as the world. All psychology is is applied philosophy, but who's philosophy? Certainly not God's! Because most of its tenants go against Biblical counseling.

Scripture makes it abundantly clear that "sound counsel" comes from the Word, and that believers are to avoid the counsel of the ungodly (Psalm 1). That means, we are to avoid the counsel that comes from the ungodly foundations as well (psychology/psychiatry have their foundations squarely placed on the philosophies of humanism).



Humanistic radicals will do anything to oppose God's Word, and set up their own authority system - man!

Originally Posted by Dora

As if to say to a hurting person, "Don't get help because if you do, you might realize I am leading you down a destructive path."[/quote}

No, not actually... it is more like this: Get real, long lasting, healthy Biblcal counsel, for the truth will make you free. In the long run, avoiding Biblical counsel hurts the people being counseled. God knows man - He made Him. It seems a bit arrogant to suggest that man's understand of man is better than the creator of man, don't you think?



If you need help, avoid like the plague humanistic counsel. Find a Biblical Counselor. There are lists for your area in places like www.nanc.com The Lord desires for you to be totally free, not merely drugged!!

Here we have a perfect example of completely missing the point. I have been reiterating that people should seek counsel from Christian-based therapists and psychiatric professionals (including qualified pastoral counsel). I'm well aware that some psychiatric professionals use methods that do more harm than good. But the same can be said of counseling with people who just pat you on the head and tell you to go pray about it. Tell them it's all in their head and try to cast out the demons...then the next thing you know...tragedy.

[rwdeese]

Originally Posted by Dora

Here we have a perfect example of completely missing the point. I have been reiterating that people should seek counsel from Christian-based therapists and psychiatric professionals (including qualified pastoral counsel). I'm well aware that some psychiatric professionals use methods that do more harm than good. But the same can be said of counseling with people who just pat you on the head and tell you to go pray about it. Tell them it's all in their head and try to cast out the demons...then the next thing you know...tragedy.

Actually, you missed the point. So, I will make it clearer. Integrationists are compromisers with the world.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Dora

This mentality will always be with us, UNFORTUNATELY.

Uneducated preachers offering "shoot from the hip" advise to married couples, or fluffing through a counseling session with a suicidal teenager, or trying to cast demons out of individual with a severe mental disturbance is being called into question by authorities.

Pastors and ministers would do well to study to show themselves approved so they can administer healing and not add to the suffering of those who seek healing and comfort. Proper counseling methods based on biblical principles line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. In my humble opinion, a person should be required to have a degree in Family, marriage and addiction recovery counseling before they can obtain a minister's license.

Actually the social science folks should be supervised by Medical doctors. Too many quacks out there. 97% of the MSCSW and Phd psychs are not smart enough to pass the MCAT exam and really can do more harm than good.

That casting out demons still works. Unless you have a NIV bible.

Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. 16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. 18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Shoot from the hip preachers. What a stupid statement. What is your education?

I good pastor can cover more ground than most psychs can wade thru in 20 50 minute sessions.

[rwdeese]

Originally Posted by Dora

I'm well aware that some psychiatric professionals use methods that do more harm than good. But the same can be said of counseling with people who just pat you on the head and tell you to go pray about it. Tell them it's all in their head and try to cast out the demons...then the next thing you know...tragedy.

I, for one, am not advocating "cavalier counseling" whatsoever, However, the training people get should be solidly, that is, 100% Biblical. That is why there are organizations like NANC who certify Biblical Counselors.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

Actually, you missed the point. So, I will make it clearer. Integrationists are compromisers with the world.

Are you implying...or directly stating....that there is zero help available from any of the psych world? Are you also propagating that the ONLY help is through scripture and/or spiritual concepts?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Dora

Here we have a perfect example of completely missing the point. I have been reiterating that people should seek counsel from Christian-based therapists and psychiatric professionals (including qualified pastoral counsel). I'm well aware that some psychiatric professionals use methods that do more harm than good. But the same can be said of counseling with people who just pat you on the head and tell you to go pray about it. Tell them it's all in their head and try to cast out the demons...then the next thing you know...tragedy.

All psychology?

Trite over broad generalizations like this seem to flow from uneducated people. You haven't studied all psychology. So do you do this by extrapolation????

I take it you haven't been to med school but "know all about Psychiatry"

So if Psychology and psychiatry have their foundations squarely based in the philosophies of humanism, why do you recommend people visit them?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

You assume a great deal. Some of us have more than one degree here.

I have even worked as a professional counselor with a team of 8 other counselors - what a group of unsecure, problem bound, people. These people needed more counseling than those they were counseling. This was at a time in my life that I belived what you believe (i.e. Proper counseling methods based on biblical principles line up with the teachings of Jesus). That is baloney. If you would like, I will give you 50 Scriptures side by side with quotes from the leaders of psychotheraphy. They totally contradict each other.

In my opinion, universities should stop granting degrees in psychology, or change it to "applied philosophy". The 400 theories of psychology prove how unscientific it really is - Christians should avoid that field like the plague!

I'd like to see the side by side contradictions.