Man made standards. Who do they think they are??

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Bad answer. So, what did they preach?

Matthew 23 (King James Version)

Matthew 23
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Matthew 23 (King James Version)

Matthew 23
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

You are avoiding the answer; What did they preach?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I do not care for hard uncaring people...that beat the sheep and mistreat God's little ones.
I once was in a meeting in our church and the visitor from the states told me how as soon as service was over I should rebuke a young girl with a see through blouse on...I looked at my stateside friend and said, I am just glad she is here...her mother is a street walker...just glad she chose to come to our service...

How people can be so cold is beyond me but they usually change when it comes home to them....

Sis I tell people all the time bout what a awesome lady you are and what a sweet spirit you have...I love your attitude in this.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Thanks

I think the point PRax is making is that the penalty was the same for both. It was both a commandment from the Lord for his people.

The argument though is whether deut 22:5 can apply to women's pants or not since both wore robes in Bible days, women's robes and men's robes. If we go by the letter of the law, women really do not need to wear tshirts, boots, or a man's shirt such as a jersey; as all pertain to a man.

There is why the NT teaching on modesty is better suited to go along with the Spirit of the law in Deut 22:5

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Bottom line, Jesus Christ never preached on one outward standard, and he called those who focused on standards and rules;

Blind Guides, Full of Dead Men's bones, Serpents and a generation of Vipers, Hypocrites, Fools, Full of all uncleanness.
Any Religion that focuses on outward Holiness will fall into the trap of using it to cover their sin. They will wind up swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat. They will look at sinners as worse than them and will ignore the humble confession of a man smoting his breast with the grief of failure. They will deny the Thief on a cross a pardon, and they will seek the uppermost seats in the Synagogue.

What is sad, the Scripture deeply warns people like us about the consequences of being radical about Standards, and we look the other way like that isn’t us. Jesus can save a man who has left the 99, and he can save a woman who cuts her hair. The Lord doesn’t care one bit about the color of your underwear or the length of your sleeves.

Standards isolate and create a pride that becomes the bondage of darkness. We’ve got to stop putting people in our Religious Box, and measuring other Christians that don’t look like us as being lost.

I am not avoiding anything I am just going off of what you said they preached.

[aegsm76]

Either doctrine means something or it means nothing.

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You obviously have no idea what a Kilt is and who wears them. United States Marines will wear them. I spent 6 years in the Marines, and I highly doubt you would walk into the Squad Bay and announce to these fighting men, "You guys are a bunch of queers".

You are making my point for me. I don't understand why a tough man would want to wear a womans garment.

[Truthseeker]

Has anyone addressed that both genders wore skirts like robes in the bible days? Priest were even commanded to not build alters with steps so no one would look up their skirts to see nakedness.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Has anyone addressed that both genders wore skirts like robes in the bible days? Priest were even commanded to not build alters with steps so no one would look up their skirts to see nakedness.

I believe I did, because Men wore robs designed to "Gird up they Loins". Where women did not. Also women wore Veils.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pendragon

Not trying to derail the excellent line of thought between Aquila and Onefaith, but I just want to interject this point about some previous comments:

The shellfish abomination vs a man in women's clothing (and vice versa) abomination isn't a good comparison. When God spoke about a man wearing what pertains to a woman, He said it was an abomination to Him. When He told the Jews not to eat shellfish, He said it was an abomination to them. Two completely different views.

Obviously the law is now dead, and we know God told Peter in a vision that it is ok to eat whatever you want, so that is one abomination that is now cleared up. But has anything changed in God that would cause something that used to be an abomination to Him, no longer an abomination to Him? We know God does not change. If something turned His stomach 3,000 years ago, then it still turns His stomach today.

Having said that, there is obviously room for argument as to what in modern days differentiates men's and women's garments. I just think we should be pretty careful about dismissing that verse.

True.

I discovered that rabbinical sources might draw distinction between the types of abomination. For example the shellfish abomination is largely ceremonial, while the woman wearing that which pertains to a woman being moral.

In both cases it's important to understand WHY God set such things as abomination. First, it was to draw a distinction between Israel and pagan peoples. Dietary laws appear to be focused on this concept. Also, pagan worship often involved cross dressing wherein a male priest might dawn the garment of a goddess to act out the role of the goddess in pagan rites and vice versa. Others point out that the term "abomination" in the context of wearing the clothing of the opposite gender has a moral foundation. In other words God is condemning the perversion of cross dressing and gender bending. With this in mind we understand that God isn't issuing commands regarding "style" of clothing, but rather moral purpose. A woman who wears women's pants is perfectly in harmony with the Law. However, a man wearing women's pants because of some gender bending proclivity would be violating the command of God.

Technically if the Law means what UPCI would have us think it means, women shouldn't be allowed to wear T-Shirts either.