Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[Coonskinner]

The premise this thread was started on was faulty and full of holes from the get go.

Dan thought he had a "Gotcha!" and some were so eager to see conservatives "hoist on their own petard" that they gleefully jumped on the bandwagon without going around and kicking the tires first.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Darcie

I like you!

Thanks, Darcie. Get me ornery and stuff just pops out.

[Coonskinner]

What we are now seeing is the frenzied reactions of the attendants upon discovering that the emperor is "nekkid as a jaybird," to quote my old Granny.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rrford

Further, if the argument being postulated is to be accepted then I would expect some posters to be ripping on the liberal element of the UPC who do sign the AS and do not abide by the AoF. Otherwise your argument won't hold any real merit.

If you really think disaffiliating a church equals promoting non-fellowship then whatever do we do with those who have affiliated churches who do not support fellowship?

Exactly.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The premise this thread was started on was faulty and full of holes from the get go.

Dan thought he had a "Gotcha!" and some were so eager to see conservatives "hoist on their own petard" that they gleefully jumped on the bandwagon without going around and kicking the tires first.

More like some see the bandwagon up and running and are trying very hard to break a few spokes.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rrford

The vote of the 70's strengthened a stand already in effect; the one of 2007 weakened a stand already in existance.

Thank you for saying succinctly what I would like to have said.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

More like some see the bandwagon up and running and are trying very hard to break a few spokes.

Sis, the premise has been disproven.

Plain and simple.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Thank you for saying succinctly what I would like to have said.

The vote of the seventies only stregthened a stand of those who had a larger vote. Much like what just happened with TV advertising.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

If you don't give the DS and presbyter the option of speaking at the disaffiliation meeting, it isn't valid.

The church will be informed.

First, a church can be informed but before the meeting ... a pastor has a window ... to exert influence as to alienate the church's decision ....

but that's not at the heart of the issue ....

To make this thread about the procedural issue of disaffiliation is to miss it entirely. We are speaking about the ethical commitment ministers and pastors made when they agreed to enter the fellowship.

They agreed not only to the AS and Fundamental doctrine ... but also to the teachings/positions of the fellowship, it's bylaws and guidelines.

Will those leaving or considering leaving act ethically as to the underlined portion below:

2007 Manual Page 159

Position Papers/Ministerial Code of Ethics

ends with...

"Having accepted a pastorate, I will not use my influence to alienate the church or any portion thereof from the fellowship or support of the United Pentecostal Church International. If my convictions change, I will be honorable enough to withdraw."

Were the calls by some ministers to protest/boycott organizational divisions with their offerings unethical as stated in the fellowship's teaching/position for ministerial ethics?

Are those unhappy w/ the "change of direction" of the org and promoting alienation/division violating their commitments made when they applied for their license by not simply and honorably withdrawing?

Yes, tv is a conviction dear to some ... but weren't their commitments not to adversely influence or contend towards the disunity of the faith also convictions?

Have some poisoned their congregations w/ anti-org rhetoric from the pulpit? Is there strong-arming by some being used to influence departure?


These are just some of the ethical commitments made by those applying for license with the fellowship:
[This is a current application for a local license]



Isn't part of the teaching of the church this position paper on ethical and honorable departure?

Are those considering a concerted departure avoiding the breaking of the unity of the Spirit in the assemblies?

Have they refrained from speaking evil, critical and contentious words about anyone in their fellowship? What have they done to work towards peace and harmony? And have they been cooperating w/ all efforts of the organization?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Sis, the premise has been disproven.

Plain and simple.

You're so much fun to argue with.