You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOPE the word generation means race no spiritualization at all the natural literal Jews have NOT ceased to exist and will not. You see generation as a TIME I see generation as a people. You do realize it is used for a people all through scriptures do you not?

Originally Posted by Ron

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 2:29

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Bro. Ron, very, very good!

So, would you agree that physical circumcision is no longer a biblical necessity for a man to become a part of God's people? And would you agree that circumcision of the heart (spiritual circumcision) is now what's necessary for a man to become a part of God's people?

Originally Posted by Falla39

Circumcision of the heart (spiritual circumcision) is now what's necessary for a man to become a part of God's people. Yes, indeed!

Since Grandma Lizzie, the first of our family to obey the apostolic message, we are now in our
fifth generation that have followed. In each generation there are "jews" that have been made
so by the circumcision in the heart. The circumcision not made by man. Romans 2:28,29

Here ya go Jason

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by afp1996

Here ya go Jason

Thank you Bro. afp1996!! You are a true Christian gentleman!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

The word "church" simply means a gathering or assembly. The first Church was in the Garden of Eden. There God said it was not good for man to be alone, so He made a woman from man’s side. That woman was considered as being bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. The church came from Jesus’ side. It is Jesus’ body. It said to be His flesh and bone body in the earth. There is no such thing as a church of one. A church requires an assembly. That is why it is called a body made up of many different members. Thus, the Old Testament saints were just as much a part of this assembly of God as were those in the New Testament. The difference is the Old looked forward to the Promise that was to come, and the New lived in the reality of that promise, yet they both did so by faith. I think it causes confusion to describe a Born Again Jew in the Bible as a "convert." That word today implies a person changes from one belief to another. Yet, if these First Century Jews were pious practicing Jews before being Born Again, then they were already looking for their blessed hope, which they saw was Jesus Christ. This is what we see with Jews such as Simeon, Anna, and Nicodemus. As a result, I see the righteous believers in the Old Testament as being as much a part of the promised assembly of Jesus Christ as were the early Jewish converts.

As a side note, the New Covenant conversion that Jews, Samaritans, and gentiles received was one that changed their nature from Adam-like to Christ-like, and their status from a slave to sin to a son of God. But as I said above, the Old Covenant saints looked forward to receiving this change, and the New Covenant saints lived in its reality. Therefore they ended up with the same promise of spending eternity with Jesus Christ as did anyone in the New Covenant.

Someone must NOT have informed Jesus that the church was already in existance since He said "upon this rock WILL I build my church?" Our course there were NO preterists to teach Him that.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by afp1996

Here ya go Jason

And I said what about circumcission in this post?
Paul in Rom. 2:25-29 is speaking that natural circumission to those Jews DID NOT make them part of what God is doing today, but circumcission of the heart made those JEWS real bonifide natural JEWS inwardly. Paul was not saying a Gentile circumcissed in the heart would become a Jew Inwardly. In Christ there is no Jew nor Greek. The new birth makes us Christians and those Jews who wanted to boast of their pedigree 2:17 their pedigree means nothing HOWEVER if they want to be a bonifide Jew in the new covenant the circumcission is inward not outward.
NO Gentile is a Jew inward. He is a Christian or saint NOT a Jew.
Glad I could clear this confusion up for y'all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

This is whom those in Judaism consider to be Jewish.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/whojew1.html

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Someone must NOT have informed Jesus that the church was already in existance since He said "upon this rock WILL I build my church?" Our course there were NO preterists to teach Him that.

Eld. Epley, would you please explain what you mean by this?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And I said what about circumcission in this post?
Paul in Rom. 2:25-29 is speaking that natural circumission to those Jews DID NOT make them part of what God is doing today, but circumcission of the heart made those JEWS real bonifide natural JEWS inwardly. Paul was not saying a Gentile circumcissed in the heart would become a Jew Inwardly. In Christ there is no Jew nor Greek. The new birth makes us Christians and those Jews who wanted to boast of their pedigree 2:17 their pedigree means nothing HOWEVER if they want to be a bonifide Jew in the new covenant the circumcission is inward not outward.
NO Gentile is a Jew inward. He is a Christian or saint NOT a Jew.
Glad I could clear this confusion up for y'all.

Eld. Epley, please explain what the above means, and kindly include the scriptures from which you get such a statement.

[Scott Hutchinson]

And if you are Christ's ,then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.GAL 3:29 NKJV
If one is borned of water and spirit under the new covenant they are considered as Abraham's seed.
The favor of God comes by Grace and not physical linegage.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Eld. Epley, please explain what the above means, and kindly include the scriptures from which you get such a statement.

It is self-explanatory. Paul in the chapter is addressing natural JEWS who are boasting in their circumcission as that would mean something to God in the Church but He is telling them those natural Jews to proof of being a real Jew in this covenant is to be circumssion of the heart. I am NOT a Jew inwardly I am a Gentile that has been circumcised in the heart.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And I said what about circumcission in this post?
Paul in Rom. 2:25-29 is speaking that natural circumission to those Jews DID NOT make them part of what God is doing today, but circumcission of the heart made those JEWS real bonifide natural JEWS inwardly. Paul was not saying a Gentile circumcissed in the heart would become a Jew Inwardly. In Christ there is no Jew nor Greek. The new birth makes us Christians and those Jews who wanted to boast of their pedigree 2:17 their pedigree means nothing HOWEVER if they want to be a bonifide Jew in the new covenant the circumcission is inward not outward.
NO Gentile is a Jew inward. He is a Christian or saint NOT a Jew.
Glad I could clear this confusion up for y'all.

I guess we are not children of faith then either? Huh brother? Because to be a child of faith is to be a child of Abraham. According to you this is impossible for Gentiles to be. We also cannot be of the household of faith because the household of faith is the Jewish household of Jesus Christ. No we are not the one's that are confused here.