Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Hey Paul, there are many able scholars who do more than give you "touchy feely emotions." Gordon Fee, Ronald Pierce, Rebecca Gruthuis, Loren Cunningham --- including representative scholars from the following Christian denominations:

American Baptist
The Anglican Communion
Assemblies of God
Church of the Brethren
Church of the Foursquare
Church of the Nazarene
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Christian Reformed Church
Disciples of Christ
Episcopal Church in the USA
Evangelical Covenant
Evangelical Lutheran Churches of America (ELCA)
Free Methodists
Friends
Mennonite Church of the USA
The Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA)
The Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC)
Reformed Church in America
Salvation Army
United Methodists
Vineyard Fellowship
Wesleyan
Worldwide Church of God

On the opposite side, Complimentarian, re also some notables:
Wayne Grudem
John Piper
Albert Mohler, Jr
Mark Driscoll
Mark Dever
CJ Mahaney
John McArthur
CS Lewis

Some denominations known as Complimentarian:
Southern Baptist Convention, the Presbyterian Church of America, the Anglican Diocese of Sydney, Conservative Mennonites, Newfrontiers, the Dutch Reformed Church, and Sovereign Grace Ministries, Acts 29, among many others. A moderate form of complementarianism is also espoused by the Calvary Chapel movement.

There some really great books written on both sides of these subjects.

Wayne Grudem put out a rebuttal book to Gordon Fee's that utterly annihilated his egalitarian views....right from the Greek text.

It's a 500 [roughly] page book written by various scholars & the only way someone could still believe in women preachers after reading this is to be in outright denial of the facts!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

RDP, why do you believe the word "preach" is akin to sermonizing?

We don't really even have a picture of sermonizing happening in the NT assembly, do we?

My reservation would be more toward female pastoring eldership. But proclaiming the Gospel, exhorting, etc ?

Paul certainly "preached" to the churches, as did Timothy, etc. Peter took a text from Joel & expounded to the Jewish "congregation" at Pentecost. Now, pls. provide to me where it's recorded that a woman did this:____________?

[Sister Alvear]

Well, today I am more than busy...lol...so much to do...just a passing thought...The Bible mentions several women who played a big role in communicating Gods will to men...
Would you listen to a woman?
PLEASE NOTE once again I AM NOT FOR LOUD MOUTHED WOMEN...I DON´T EVER WANT TO BE IN THE COMPANY OF WOMEN THAT ARE KNOW TO BE OUT OF THEIR PLACE...HOWEVER I DO THINK A WOMAN CAN PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT PART IN THE WORK OF THE KINGDOM.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Paul certainly "preached" to the churches, as did Timothy, etc. Peter took a text from Joel & expounded to the Jewish "congregation" at Pentecost. Now, pls. provide to me where it's recorded that a woman did this:____________?

Maxi's reply to you a moment ago wasn't combative. Just an FYI


Peter did have anyone "turn in their Bibles" with Him. Peter was explaining what had happened, telling them who Jesus was. I'm sure this wasn't the first or last time in the NT that the message was told. This is how it all began though.

His question had to do with your insistence on women and sermonizing, which I find interesting, because I believe sermonizing to be more of a tradition that developed, than maybe what happened when they gathered together in the 1st Century. Mind you, mostly without any written text.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Well, today I am more than busy...lol...so much to do...just a passing thought...The Bible mentions several women who played a big role in communicating Gods will to men...
Would you listen to a woman?
PLEASE NOTE once again I AM NOT FOR LOUD MOUTHED WOMEN...I DON´T EVER WANT TO BE IN THE COMPANY OF WOMEN THAT ARE KNOW TO BE OUT OF THEIR PLACE...HOWEVER I DO THINK A WOMAN CAN PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT PART IN THE WORK OF THE KINGDOM.

I can agree w/ this to a certain degree.

Just a thought/question here: I know a lady [I used to pastor her] who was a woman preacher. Let's just say she's very closely connected to my family.

I personally watched her get up & testify once hollering & screaming into the microphone...it was disgusting & I wanted to go under my pew. I've been told by other preachers that she's done the same thing in their presence. She says "it's the anointing," but God does not "anoint" women to act like men. When she would sing in our church services she would literally scream into the microphone & it drove me nuts!

Not to mention how she constantly had her nose in church affairs. She once bounded off the organ during a church service & ran to the door to check on a saint who was angrily leaving...making quite a scene. On & on I could go to a staggering degree, yet she ALWAYS depicts herself as the 'poor ol' victim' & comes out smelling like a rose when she gets finished w/ the story!

She has caused much shame & embarrasment to her daughter [unbeknownst to her] & has been a problem saint for at least 4 pastors that I know personally. Her husband is quite passive & unambitious regarding the things of God...she's just the opposite. I have communicated all of this faithfully & in good conscience. Your thoughts?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Maxi's reply to you a moment ago wasn't combative. Just an FYI


Peter did have anyone "turn in their Bibles" with Him. Peter was explaining what had happened, telling them who Jesus was. I'm sure this wasn't the first or last time in the NT that the message was told. This is how it all began though.

His question had to do with your insistence on women and sermonizing, which I find interesting, because I believe sermonizing to be more of a tradition that developed, than maybe what happened when they gathered together in the 1st Century. Mind you, mostly without any written text.

Wrong friend...They indeed had a "written text,"... the OT Scriptures. Paul "reasoned from the Scriptures," yet one searches in vain to identify a woman doing so...that's my point. Check back 2mmorrow....busy rest of the day.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Wrong friend...They indeed had a "written text,"... the OT Scriptures. Paul "reasoned from the Scriptures," yet one searches in vain to identify a woman doing so...that's my point. Check back 2mmorrow....busy rest of the day.

That doesn't prove a written text was common. The Scriptures were also orally transmitted, in a story-formed way. I'm sure Paul was familiar with the viewing the scrolls in his prior education. And of course women were not even allowed to sit around and talk scripture in the Synagogue.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That doesn't prove a written text was common. The Scriptures were also orally transmitted, in a story-formed way. I'm sure Paul was familiar with the viewing the scrolls in his prior education. And of course women were not even allowed to sit around and talk scripture in the Synagogue.

I don't know how many congregations has their own personal copy of the LXX but for a long time none of them had a complete NT. As Socialite points out much of what they had were oral tranmissions, maybe a letter or more

[Light]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

[B] Not really sure we can prove Oneness of God to the extent as many of us theologize from what we have. [B/]

I didn't tune you out when we mentioned scriptures. The argument for Egalitarianism uses the very same two scriptures for discussion. It's all there is on the topic.

And like Socialite, I lean more toward Complimentarian -- even while not seeing this as a Gospel issue, or one that the Church should divide and separate over.

Unbelievable Sister Alvear you gave this post high fives??????

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by light

unbelievable sister alvear you gave this post high fives??????

if i understood the post he is saying we should try to get along...maybe i misunderstood.