End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

Rom 1:6..  ..Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Rom 1:7..  ..To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:8..  ..First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 1:9..  ..For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Right, like I said most of it was to believers. Some of it could have been to the unbelievers that were present when the letter was written.

Also that does not address the fact that a LOT of what Paul talks about is not how to GET saved but how they had already become saved (Past tense)

You really shot yourself in the foot. First you argued the saving message needed to be preached to those who are already believers

Then you turn around and attempt to prove they were all what? Already Saints?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I will try it again some time. Either way it's not that hard to do.

I think I see what you are saying...

I had another method in mind.

It's not hard. Both methods work

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all I said Witnessing. Second I am a man. Third of all we were discussing the idea of getting the Lost saved. Yes preaching the gospel saving message to the Lost is what you call "Witnesseth"..

Lastly "Witnesseth" is not in my KJV either

marturéō; contracted marturṓ, fut. marturḗsō, from mártus (G3144), witness. To be a witness, bear witness.
(I) To be a witness, to be able or ready to testify. With the dat. (Joh_3:28; Act_22:5); used in an absolute sense (2Co_8:3); followed by the dat. of person or thing, meaning in favor of whom or what one bears testimony (Joh_3:26; Joh_5:33; Joh_18:37).
(II) To bear witness, to testify to the truth of what one has seen, heard, or knows.

So back to my point. We can ALL preach the gospel to the Lost. You can call it "Witnesseth" all you want but it does not change anything.

That's like people who changed "Wedding Rings" to "Wedding bands" so they can wear jewelry or people who called their TVs "Monitors" to avoid the obvious.

It does not change anything.

They preached the gospel to the Lost.

The fact is the Greek word for witnesseth is translated into different English terms. Since you say it is not in you King James Bible, try this on for size. It is NOT the only place the Greek term from which we get witnesseth is used.


Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

Act 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Right, like I said most of it was to believers. Some of it could have been to the unbelievers that were present when the letter was written.

Also that does not address the fact that a LOT of what Paul talks about is not how to GET saved but how they had already become saved (Past tense)

You really shot yourself in the foot. First you argued the saving message needed to be preached to those who are already believers

Then you turn around and attempt to prove they were all what? Already Saints?

Keep talking out of both sides of your mouth and soon you will be able to say you have said it all.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

The fact is the Greek word for witnesseth is translated into different English terms. Since you say it is not in you King James Bible, try this on for size. It is NOT the only place the Greek term from which we get witnesseth is used.


Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

Act 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.

Of course it's translated into different words but that argument alone does not mean they did not preach the saving gospel to unbelievers.

Witnesseth I must have spelled it wrong when I did a search. Then again I speak english not Victorian english :-)

Joh 5:32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.

All you are doing is quibbling over a word and not really addressing that they preached the saving gospel to the Lost.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

Keep talking out of both sides of your mouth and soon you will be able to say you have said it all.

You're not addressing what I said. All you are doing is being belligerent.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Saying we need to go back to Calvary is no insult....
I am not a supposed missionaries wife..I am a missionary's wife but I am also a missionary and have been one for 46 years...

No THIS is what YOU said:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

tonight Bro. Alvear and I have been asked to be speakers at a marriage seminar...so the anti's would have a problem with that too.....
I have no problem with helping anyone...be it woman or man....black or white, rich or poor...
If you have a problem with a woman helping a soul you need to go back to Calvary and watch Him die...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...09#post1300709


Along with other insinuations and insults to preachers across this fellowship that do not believe in women preachers. You have insinuated that any preacher, you know those horrible "anti's", that does not believe in women preachers needs to go back to Calvary and watch Him die. YOU are telling every saint on here that their pastor needs another trip to Calvary. YOU did not say "we" so don't try to say I am misquoting you. I quoted you precisely and it is shameful.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...hey I have a question. Can black men preach or are they also genetically incapable as you just claimed women are?

You realize that Paul was not saying women are incapable of teaching. In fact Paul commands the women then to TEACH other women. How can they do that if they are incapable of anything other than figments of their imagination?

You realize, I hope, such arguments with all the innuendos and insults only impress the others that are in the same corner as your respective parties (For and Against) that are involved in this? You won't convince anyone else you are right that way. In fact you will probably push them even further away.

That goes for both sides

Please post where I have ever degraded a black person. It is insulting of you to try to turn this into a racial thing now.
BTW do you even know what race I am?

When Did I say women were not capable of teaching? Even in your partial quote you did not catch the context. I do believe women should teach one another. Therefore, you have missed the context entirely and have fallen into the same trap as S. Alvear.

[Sister Alvear]

And if you read further I explained what I meant be anti....and also pro..lt would be better to say all I said not parts...

[Sister Alvear]

I have many friends that are anti...in fact I am translating a book on holiness for one of them he knows that I am pro...we have no problem...