End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by pilgram

Actually it's common sense and goes without saying that if a man isn't married the "husband of one wife" wouldn't apply now would it?
The writer (Paul) assumes that the reader has enough common sense to realize that. Apparently you come up short in that department.

Hellooooo somebody !


What he said !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

rdp, if the phrase "husband of one wife" handily forbids women from ministry, then it also disqualifies single men from ministry, since a single man has no wife.

So I'm taking your response to mean that you don't agree that single men can't be bishops/elders/deacons?

Literal interpretations need to be consistent, or they lose credibility. I think that taking this passage literally is actually a valid interpretation, even though I don't agree with that particular take. However, it's only a respectable view if it's consistent and not interpreted only to the benefit of a certain stance.

First, when I was taking Greek, the professor (Dr. William Mounce) stated that this text (i.e., I Tim. 3.1) should be translated as "faithful to his wife" - as most translations do. The Greek text literally reads "one-woman-man."


Second, is a patently absurd argument to suggest that a man must be married to fulfill these requirements - & totally destroys the intended context - which is simply that an overseer should live a life above reproach.


Point is - woman were not even considered as either overseers or deacons in the Bible.


Sorry, try again .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yep and that may have covered even some of the Apostles..oh and Jesus

Which is precisely our point!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all, not exactly. The rest of us do it all the time so yes it DOES work.


Second of all I haven't deleted anyone's post. Did you report her post?



As you can see I had no problem quoting you just as the instructions said

Umm, and your point?


You post in your fashion & I post in mine. Been doing it for years ?


Oh, & BTW, yes, y'all are very biased in whom y'all attempt to "correct" for "name calling."


Just wondering, would some of you happen to double as moderators for CARM ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That was her point, it doesn't.

Which is exactly my point - y'all are finally coming around !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Most would not on the surface understand the world in which Paul lived...It is a wonder that he had women who labored with him in the gospel....

Sigh....This AGAIN ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's part of their forte. It's probably one reason why a lot of people left the "Apostolics" or go around calling us all mean and other stuff.

It's well deserved on the part of some but it should be clear not all Apostolics are like that.

You are merely Oneness - not "Apostolic."


And, I guess the ultra-libs are lil' darlings ?


If y'all can dish it out - don't cry foul when the favor is returned - I can do both .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Never in all my life have I seen "supposed men of God" calling people silly...so degrading...
I have debated Assembly of God pastors in Brazil, Brazilian national pastors of national works and several times Branhamites and even sat in on a JW elders meeting where they let me ask questions...never did I see such a spirit...

I have little access to the internet but may have better access for a few hours...however I am ashamed to say that the men above are Jesus name oneness men...

The first church went everywhere preaching the word...so should we....Jesus said, Go Ye into all the world and preach...so let us go and annouce Jesus to every man, woman. boy and girl.....

Likewise - I (& many-many others I know) are ashamed that there are some who call themselves oneness Apostolics who can so openly defy crystal-clear Scriptural instructions to the NT church....Then condemn the Trinnies for doing the very thing you're willfully doing .


The pro "woman-preacher-teacher" camp is an utter embarrassment to the Apostolic church.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If Paul had meant 1 Timothy 2 to apply to women (or females) in general, there was clearly a way in Greek to have done so. But the fact that he deliberately chose words that primarily translate in the New Testament as “husband” and “wife” seems to indicate a restricted meaning and application in these passages.

LOL - Keep ignoring the syntax-exegesis of the text & I will keep reminding you of it. Here, let's try this for about the 70th time:


Show us which of these professional linguists have adopted your quirky renderings of "husband" & "wife" - all independent of one another (as well as working in agreement with each other):


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.



Guess they should've allllll consulted the "women-preachers" - most of whom have never even taken a Greek class ! Think ya' might have an agenda going on here? ?




Paul knew the greek language....just like I know Portuguese ...he knew who he was talking to...

Yes, Paul certainly did - & you've been shown over & over & over & over & over & over that these Greek nouns that he employed simply mean "man" & "woman" - unless there are possessive markers indicatind otherwise...which do not exist in I Timothy 2.


Here, just in case you forgot - let's review Dr. Daniel Wallace's syntactical observations on the passage:


"Gune and aner are words which mean 'adult female' and 'adult male' in their unmarked meanings. Only if there are sufficient contextual clues that husband and wife are in view do the words mean 'wife' and 'husband.'...The definite article or 'idios' (one's own) or a possessive pronoun is required to show that husband and wife are in the text. None of these things occur in 1 Tim 2. The article occurs in 1 Cor 11, but only because it is syntactically required by the construction. Both passages are clearly talking about the Christian community in worship, which would of course involve single adults and married couples. Take a look at other passages that are clearly speaking about husband and wife--e.g., Eph 5, 1 Peter 3--and you'll see that they use these signals to note that husband and wife are in view."


But, hey, true to form, just keep copying-pasting error all the while ignoring the specific grammar of the text (& I have more if you're interested) .

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

Likewise - I (& many-many others I know) are ashamed that there are some who call themselves oneness Apostolics who can so openly defy crystal-clear Scriptural instructions to the NT church....Then condemn the Trinnies for doing the very thing you're willfully doing .


The pro "woman-preacher-teacher" camp is an utter embarrassment to the Apostolic church.

So my pastor embarrasses you....lol