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Old 02-22-2014, 06:58 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

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Conspicuously missing is PREACHERS.

Are you suggesting that the 5-fold ministry are not "preachers" ??
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:01 PM
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If you want to run your church or household that way, that's fine, but this in an internet forum, and neither you nor any other man or woman here has any authority over me in any way, I don't care how many degrees are on your wall, how many churches you have preached in, how old you are, or how many verses you can quote.

If this forum ever decided to operate like a Muslim mosque, I'd be the first one outta here.

Spoken like a true Feministic-Western "Christian" !
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:02 PM
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No woman is out of order to write on a forum ...unless her husband tells her not too....lol...

But then when they go to church - the roles flop & she can tell him what "not" to do !
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:03 PM
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It is one Greek word that is used in all the English terms used above. Praxeas said "witnesseth" was not in her Bible. First of all it is in the English Bible, and the Greek word is used in many other English terms beyond witnesseth. ONE GREEK WORD TRANSLATED INTO MANY ENGLISH WORDS!
You can shout it all you want, but you are still missing the point. It's the verb, not the noun, that is being spoken about.
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:06 PM
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Really? A preacher, eh? A Holy Ghost filled one?

Jesus replied, "Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish my purpose.



"Really? A preacher?" - "Fox" is not exactly a term of endearment ?


And, apparently you did not see where she called us "Chauvenists" - If she can dish it out - she will take it as well !
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:08 PM
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This is yet another example of why women should not attempt to teach or be allowed to be elders. Doctrines are based upon the figment of imagination, not exegesis.

It has been shown before that the word simply means servant such as in Jn 2:5.
(Joh 2:5 KJV) His mother saith unto the servants (diakonos), Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
To use the logic of S. Alvear these people were church leaders before there was ever a church. After all they are called “diakonos”.

She speaks out of both sides of her mouth when she says we must look at the whole of scripture then she turns around and ignores the historical word definition as well as the context. Diakonos were servant’s period. The church later adopted this word as a position within the church.

In the beginning the Apostles said they should not leave the word of God to serve (diakoneō) tables (Acts 6:2). This makes a very clear distinction between “serving” and “preaching”. The Apostles, correctly, knew they had to remain focused upon their calling or they would not be able to do what they needed to do. They needed fellow laborers that could do these needful things.
In Christianity women have a very important role and should seek to be used of God. There are many things they can and have done. They ministered (diakoneō) to Jesus - Luke 8:3 for example. Based upon the definition foisted upon us we must assume these women taught Jesus Himself. Tabitha in Acts 9 was full of good works towards the household of faith and the list could go on. Women do have an important role to fill. However, every time there is a qualification for church leadership in scripture there is always a qualification that implies male leadership period. This is also the context of the whole of scripture that is ignored by the imagination of S. Alvear.

S. Alvear confuses what became an office with a word definition. Servants (diakonos) were around long before the church. It means just what it says, a servant. The church, in time, took the word and created an office from the word; therefore, one must first recognize the historical meaning of the word and how the church adopted that word for its internal use. To make assumptions is to ignore the historical meaning of the word. This is what has happened here. No doubt Phebe, like Tabitha, served the church like so many others.

To make an assumption that Phebe was a church leader over men one would have to prove first of all that it was possible. This cannot be done in any way shape or form. As mentioned above every time there is a qualification for a church leader it always, without exception, implies a man. Therefore we must conclude that Phebe, like Tabitha, was a great woman that served the church well. The only other possibility is that Phebe was a leader of women as taught here:
(Tit 2:3 KJV) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(Tit 2:4 KJV) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
(Tit 2:5 KJV) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Exactly - & we have explained this to her over & over & over & over X 2 X ad nauseum infinitum (only to be completely ignored of course) .
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Sigh....This AGAIN ?
What do you call the men who Paul considered his colaborers? What does that mean?
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Spoken like a true Feministic-Western "Christian" !
Are you attempting to make a point to say that you and/or any other man on this forum is in authority over me?
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Jesus replied, "Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish my purpose.



"Really? A preacher?" - "Fox" is not exactly a term of endearment ?


And, apparently you did not see where she called us "Chauvenists" - If she can dish it out - she will take it as well !
Comparing yourself to Jesus? Is that your excuse for your behavior?
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So my pastor embarrasses you....lol

Your pastor does not allow women to teach-preach to men in his pulpit..."LOL".
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