You do not have scripture for this remark. The jews that received this command from God via Moises -- both male and female wore robes. There were differences in the robes, but they both wore them.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
You do not have scripture for this remark. The jews that received this command from God via Moises -- both male and female wore robes. There were differences in the robes, but they both wore them.
Wearing pants are abomination they pertain to men TODAY. You don't need a lexcion go to any public place and look at the rest room doors. SOCIETY or CULTURE posts those signs NOT conservative Apostolic preachers. If you work an abomination you are goingto go to Hell unless you repent.
I think a dress or skirt is more modest on a woman than most pants I've seen today. Ladies, I'm a healthy man, trust me when I say this...pants are designed to accentuate various aspects of your body that we guys are attracted to. Men are far more visual creatures than women...that's why Sports Illustrated Swimsuit sells out everywhere and Playboy is sold in nearly every book store. Don't get me wrong...sometimes dresses and skirts can be just as immodest. But more often a dress or skirt can be both stylish and modest where most pants today aren't. So I side with the conservative brethren in that I believe women should wear modest dresses or skirts.
In my opinion the dresses and skirts are about modesty. I don't believe you'll go to Hell for wearing pants. I don't believe it's a "sin" of any kind. But most pants I've seen are immodest. Maybe ladies don't see what men see when they see a woman in pants so it might be difficult for you to understand so I'm not going to rant against you if you don't understand. If I were a pastor I would admonish modesty and express how I believed dresses and skirts are more modest on women. If you wished to wear pants to church, I wouldn't harass you or make you feel unwelcome. I would try to temper any statement made from the pulpit about pants with some love and grace acknowledging that some might be wearing pants, but his is how I felt as a preacher. If the pants (or dress) were too immodest in my opinion, as a pastor I'm obligated to do something. I think I'd ask my wife to talk to you about it privately when you're weren't wearing the article of clothing. If you continued wearing it I might have her mention it again, but I still wouldn't throw you out. We might have a "Modesty and Holiness Women's Meeting" to devote entirely to issues women face regarding modesty and outward holiness.
And if all that didn't work to help you grow in our church...I guess you'd just be that lady that catches the eyes of the men and makes the other wives uncomfortable. Just try not to vex us too bad. But by the time it got here...odds are you'd make some adjustments. If you were adamant about pants, maybe we could agree that you at least wear a modest dress or skirt to church services. We'd just wait on the Lord together on this. Normally a willing and sincere heart comes around in time.
I think a dress or skirt is more modest on a woman than most pants I've seen today. Ladies, I'm a healthy man, trust me when I say this...pants are designed to accentuate various aspects of your body that we guys are attracted to. Men are far more visual creatures than women...that's why Sports Illustrated Swimsuit sells out everywhere and Playboy is sold in nearly every book store. Don't get me wrong...sometimes dresses and skirts can be just as immodest. But more often a dress or skirt can be both stylish and modest where most pants today aren't. So I side with the conservative brethren in that I believe women should wear modest dresses or skirts.
I do not agree. I am a healthy guy and I tend to think that dresses and skirts tend to be designed to be more sexual and sensual. Pants if worn tight, just like a skirt or dress, are certainly not modest.
Lets just leave Bible out for a minute here. I work in a building that has four floors. I walk the stairs instead of taking the elevator because I was getting a bit lazy. The other day I heard something above me and I looked up. Guess what I saw? A lady walking down the stairs on the insie near the railing that is open. I could see everything. Her skirt was modest, it was long, it was loose. I still saw everything. I decide that from now on I can not look up when in the stairwell at work. Then I got thinking about it. ALL places I have been have these open stair wells. Been to a two story mall lately? The ones I have seen have glass railings. If a lady stands beside the rail and is wearing a skirt or dress if you are below her and look up guess what you will see.
I think the traditions that have been taught are very hard for some to let go of. I think we need to really remember that God gave us a mind to think fo ourselves. We are taught in the BIBLE that we are to seek out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We need to allow God to do a work in people and we need to stop doing our work in people.
I do not agree. I am a healthy guy and I tend to think that dresses and skirts tend to be designed to be more sexual and sensual. Pants if worn tight, just like a skirt or dress, are certainly not modest.
Lets just leave Bible out for a minute here. I work in a building that has four floors. I walk the stairs instead of taking the elevator because I was getting a bit lazy. The other day I heard something above me and I looked up. Guess what I saw? A lady walking down the stairs on the insie near the railing that is open. I could see everything. Her skirt was modest, it was long, it was loose. I still saw everything. I decide that from now on I can not look up when in the stairwell at work. Then I got thinking about it. ALL places I have been have these open stair wells. Been to a two story mall lately? The ones I have seen have glass railings. If a lady stands beside the rail and is wearing a skirt or dress if you are below her and look up guess what you will see.
I think the traditions that have been taught are very hard for some to let go of. I think we need to really remember that God gave us a mind to think fo ourselves. We are taught in the BIBLE that we are to seek out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We need to allow God to do a work in people and we need to stop doing our work in people.
There you go again..telling all our secrets. lol
No seriously, I see your point.
I was once in a very crowded elevator and I quickly realized that I was the only male aboard. I'm a rather short guy, about 5.4". A rather nice looking lady, slightly taller than me and wearing a low cut blouse, got on board the elevator and stood facing me and I was very uncomfortable to say the least. So what do uncomfortable men do? We look up. For example in the men's room at the urinal...we often look up at ceiling. Well, I looked up and guess what...the ceiling of the elevator was mirrored...and ya know...low cut blouses are even less modest when looking down at them. I was stunned and slowly a couple ladies looked up... including the lady in front of me, and we instantly made eye contact. A few coughs and she tugged her blouse on up and crossed her arms. I was so embarrassed...but there was nothing I could do. Oh well...I just turned red, accepted the dirty look from the lady, and got off at the very next floor to escape my humiliation.
Sometimes there's no escaping some exposure. It's normal. And in some ways it's healthy because reminds us that standards are necessary. But I wouldn't advocate women always wear a turtleneck because of what I experienced. I also wouldn't make women wear pants if I looked up and saw a little more than necessary at a stairwell. But over all...women's pants are mostly less modest than a woman's dress or skirt. The thigh in Scripture was to be covered because it was deemed nakedness. The "thigh" was also the region between the legs from knee to knee. To reveal it was nakedness. So anything that would accentuate the area could be seen as nakedness. Ladies pants will typically accentuate a ladies legs, rear, and sometimes even their "loins". It goes to say that biblically speaking anything revealing the form of a woman in these ares was to be discouraged. That's why traditional Jewish denominations still teach that women should wear dresses or skirts.
...low cut blouses are even less modest when looking down at them. ....
Now you know why the Holiness preacher said what he did.
He was standing on the platform and a well endowed young lady wearing a low cut blouse came to the front and stood there in front of him. His words of rebuke were, "Sister, we holiness preachers look down on low cut blouses like that."
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Now you know why the Holiness preacher said what he did.
He was standing on the platform and a well endowed young lady wearing a low cut blouse came to the front and stood there in front of him. His words of rebuke were, "Sister, we holiness preachers look down on low cut blouses like that."
good one
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
Now you know why the Holiness preacher said what he did.
He was standing on the platform and a well endowed young lady wearing a low cut blouse came to the front and stood there in front of him. His words of rebuke were, "Sister, we holiness preachers look down on low cut blouses like that."
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