If You're Depressed and Despondent Get Some Help!

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

All psychology is is applied philosophy, but who's philosophy?

I'm confused by this. Do you really mean the word "All"? Most of my psychology training is based on the observance of human behavior patterns, completely disconnected from philosophy.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

You assume a great deal. Some of us have more than one degree here.

I have even worked as a professional counselor with a team of 8 other counselors - what a group of unsecure, problem bound, people. These people needed more counseling than those they were counseling. This was at a time in my life that I belived what you believe (i.e. Proper counseling methods based on biblical principles line up with the teachings of Jesus). That is baloney. If you would like, I will give you 50 Scriptures side by side with quotes from the leaders of psychotheraphy. They totally contradict each other.

In my opinion, universities should stop granting degrees in psychology, or change it to "applied philosophy". The 400 theories of psychology prove how unscientific it really is - Christians should avoid that field like the plague!

Actually there are a couple of great behavioral programs in springfield MO where the Assembly of God has 2-3 colleges. The teach the basics for the masters work and clinical and passing the state exams and cover the bible, contrat biblical teachings and clafify a lot of confusion. People thru a mere secular school can't get this.

Begining with Psychoanalytic theory, introspection and Freud, the drive for atheism was to delete concepts of sin, demons, guilt, soul, hell devil and evil.

i like your comment on insecure and problem bound people. "The difference between the Psychiatrists and the patients is who has keys."

[rwdeese]

Originally Posted by Dora

All psychology?

Trite over broad generalizations like this seem to flow from uneducated people. You haven't studied all psychology. So do you do this by extrapolation????

I take it you haven't been to med school but "know all about Psychiatry"

So if Psychology and psychiatry have their foundations squarely based in the philosophies of humanism, why do you recommend people visit them?

ok, let me rephrase... all psychology but biological or neurological, because they are based on hard evidence not merely humanism. Of course, I believe in Biblical counseling.

Going to school does not equal being educated, although I have a great deal of education. I have continued to study many subjects after I received my last Master's Degree in 1986. Almost through with my next Doctorate though!

Where have I recommended people using psychologists?

[rwdeese]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

I'm confused by this. Do you really mean the word "All"? Most of my psychology training is based on the observance of human behavior patterns, completely disconnect from philosophy.

Observing others is only part of the field of psychology. But why do they observe? It is to come up with a solution to the problem they discoverd while observing! What solutions do they come up with? Where do they get their solutions?

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

Observing others is only part of the field of psychology. But why do they observe? It is to come up with a solution to the problem they discoverd while observing! What solutions do they come up with? Where do they get their solutions?

Observance and the establishment of human behavior patterns is largely for the purpose of being more accurately able to reveal future potentials, thereby enabling us to make better decisions, know what to avoid, and what to work toward.

Solutions? Maybe I'm being too technical, but how would you define "solution" in this context? In a broad sense of the word, nothing's going to be solved until we get to heaven.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

I'm confused by this. Do you really mean the word "All"? Most of my psychology training is based on the observance of human behavior patterns, completely disconnect from philosophy.

It is a good quote from someone that hasn't had advanced education in either. Philosophy from a secular huministic standpoint has a great influence on psychology but psychology and the behavioral sciences took off in a different direction 200 years ago.

I want to take some continuing ed classes here But I won't

RIKEN-MIT Neuroscience Research Center
In April 2008, MIT joined with RIKEN, located in Saitama, Japan, to create the RIKEN-MIT Center for Neural Circuit Genetics (CNCG) within MIT's Picower Institute for Learning and Memory. The RIKEN Brain Science Institute (RIKEN BSI) and the Picower Institute for Learning and Memory at MIT have created a strong, long-term mutually beneficial relationship for collaborative research, building on the resources and strengths of both institutes in the highly dynamic field of brain science. The program profits from the exchange of research staff between RIKEN and MIT. The RIKEN-MIT CNCG is lead by Nobel laureate Professor Susumu Tonegawa.

This is about as far as it gets from philosophy.It was recommended in a class i took in Genetic Neurobiology

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rwdeese

Ok, let me rephrase... all psychology but biological or neurological, because they are based on hard evidence not merely humanism. Of course, I believe in Biblical counseling. Going to school does not equal being educated, although I have a great deal of education. I have continued to study many subjects after I received my last Master's Degree in 1986. Almost through with my next Doctorate though!

Where have I recommended people using psychologists?

I am with you on the biblical counseling. Nothing sweeter than using an owners manual and service manual writen by the Creator.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I don't think anyone would deny that there is bad psychology out there, and there are bad treatment methods out there. A lot of psychology is merely humanism. BUT THAT DOES NOT mean that someone who is having deep mental distress should not seek help!!

A lot of what manifests itself as mental distress is caused by a physical issue. Blood sugar issues, hormonal imbalances... any number of physical ailments can cause you to feel depressed and hopeless. No amount of praying (aside from divine healing) is going to take care of your blood sugar issue. You need to take care of the PROBLEM.

Also, when you are ill, tired and depressed, it can be very difficult to pray. Sometimes we just have to admit that we need help. Or that our neighbor needs genuine help, not just 'a good praying through'.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't think anyone would deny that there is bad psychology out there, and there are bad treatment methods out there. A lot of psychology is merely humanism. BUT THAT DOES NOT mean that someone who is having deep mental distress should not seek help!!

A lot of what manifests itself as mental distress is caused by a physical issue. Blood sugar issues, hormonal imbalances... any number of physical ailments can cause you to feel depressed and hopeless. No amount of praying (aside from divine healing) is going to take care of your blood sugar issue. You need to take care of the PROBLEM.

Also, when you are ill, tired and depressed, it can be very difficult to pray. Sometimes we just have to admit that we need help. Or that our neighbor needs genuine help, not just 'a good praying through'.

You mean an UC pastor sternly telling you that all of life's problems will be solved if you tithe, attend ALL services, and learn to submit to his authority (the pastor) then ALL will be right? I always thought that is all you or anyone needs.

And sadly that is the level of advice you get from many church leaders.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't think anyone would deny that there is bad psychology out there, and there are bad treatment methods out there. A lot of psychology is merely humanism. BUT THAT DOES NOT mean that someone who is having deep mental distress should not seek help!!

A lot of what manifests itself as mental distress is caused by a physical issue. Blood sugar issues, hormonal imbalances... any number of physical ailments can cause you to feel depressed and hopeless. No amount of praying (aside from divine healing) is going to take care of your blood sugar issue. You need to take care of the PROBLEM.

Also, when you are ill, tired and depressed, it can be very difficult to pray. Sometimes we just have to admit that we need help. Or that our neighbor needs genuine help, not just 'a good praying through'.

Very well said. My utopian view of this thread is that we all jump in and encourage those that need help, to get help. There is an ENORMOUS resistance by religion, not just pentecostals, to any suggestion of mental or emotional help. There is BAD psychology. There is also BAD church.

Quiet, would you agree with me that men are much more resistant to help in this area than women? True enough, men are probably more resistant to any kind of help in general, but my experience is that men are very shut off to this discussion but women are not.