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[missourimary]

Wow, I'm not going to dig back through everything, but in response to the following as quoted above by Dave:
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Originally Posted by DeuteronomyCh8
Your mockery of the scriptures is not amusing. Tell me your complaint. (?) Other than you have an axe to grind with any preacher that steps on your TV or anything YOU dont want to give up or comply with.
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I want to answer:

Just because people ask what is right doesn't mean they want to do wrong.
When people sincerely search scripture to ask questions or find answers, aren't they doing what God would want? That isn't mockery. That's wisdom.

[Jeffrey]

Of course, RW posted this clip, which somewhat supports Deut's claim that the MOG has every right to "add to the book" as he sees fit. This is the more articulate "academic" version of Deut's theology: http://www.therockchurch.org:/defaul...es-traditions/

[jasites]

An outsiders observation:

1-DeuteronomyCh8, is definitely being way toohostile.
2-Jeffery, DAII and others are definitely being way too sarcastic.

I've only posted on this site a handful of times and I just came back today to get some news on BOTT. But everytime I visit, I see the same scenario. One group of posters "poke the stick" at others over and over, and there's always a good amount of sarcasm and "high-fives" between those of similar beliefs. Then someone gets upset (DeuteronomyCh8) and starts to rant and gets ugly. (Sorry, DeuteronomyCh8, but it's obvious) The only problem I have with this is when everyone (Jeffery, DAII and others) that has used sarcasm and made belittling remarks about a certain ideology, starts pointing the finger and acting appalled at the disgruntle poster (DeuteronomyCh8) who get offended and starts to rant. Neither side is right and neither side has clean hands. In reality though, I feel that it's a double whammy to then point fingers at the offended poster.

I'm sure that I will now be attacked by this post, but come on! Do you really feel that sarcasm is not offensive?? It's just ironic that some people use sarcasm and belittling comments in regards to a group of people or ideology movement, that they claim have offended and belittled so many.

Debates are great but this type of dialogue is just a huge turn-off to those who might consider frequently visiting this community.

[Jeffrey]

Wow, was I that bad? Just pointing out the incredulity of the "evidence."

Okay, imperfect I am. It's the nature of an impersonal forum discussing ideas that make people emotional. Thanks for stopping in to fix it all (yes, that was sarcasm haha)

[jasites]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Wow, was I that bad? Just pointing out the incredulity of the "evidence."

Okay, imperfect I am. It's the nature of an impersonal forum discussing ideas that make people emotional. Thanks for stopping in to fix it all (yes, that was sarcasm haha)

Sorry, I just pulled some names that came to mind.

Question: Do the ones on here that disagree with the UPC's stance on holiness have any generalized agreement on dress code. Meaning, do these individuals feel that no line should be drawn or that the line or "bar" should be lowered?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by jasites

Sorry, I just pulled some names that came to mind.

Question: Do the ones on here that disagree with the UPC's stance on holiness have any generalized agreement on dress code. Meaning, do these individuals feel that no line should be drawn or that the line or "bar" should be lowered?

If I may chime in.....

No, I do not believe there is any generalized agreement on dress code. I DO believe that everyone HAS one, it is just that no two are the same. THIS then is one of the issues when dealing with one particular persons/organizations dress standard and why "we" do not agree with it or the (very) week bible used as evidence (which, to top is off, is more often then not made into a heaven or hell issue).

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jasites

Sorry, I just pulled some names that came to mind.

Question: Do the ones on here that disagree with the UPC's stance on holiness have any generalized agreement on dress code. Meaning, do these individuals feel that no line should be drawn or that the line or "bar" should be lowered?

You know what my point about all of this is? A question for those that are against the UPCI and what they stand for. Renda may want to move this to it's own thread.

We have been through our share of trouble, but being guided by the Lord, He says to stay and see it through, He will bring the victory. We have seen this happen.

Now, the question - What would those opposing the UPCI have us do? Walk away from the will of God or obey His direction - "Stay where you are and see it through"? With "standards" and other trappings that some disagree with and some things we are not in total agreement, He says to stay.

I think this is a very serious question and matter. For those, adamantly, pushing against the UPCI and it's leadership, it appears to me that they are interfering in people's lives and the direction God would have them walk.

It is my opinion that we are being perfected and must be very careful to walk through and not around situations, circumstances, trials, etc., that we face. We must always go to God and find direction.

It appears to me, from observation, that some are directing and counseling others to find their own direction and make their own decisions.

I believe that part of being perfected (maturing) is going through trials, learning, growing, etc. After all, "In patience, possess ye your souls."

We always know, "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

And so, the question:

If God is telling me to stay where I am, how do I and how should I take those that oppose where I serve?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Now, the question - What would those opposing the UPCI have us do? Walk away from the will of God or obey His direction - "Stay where you are and see it through"? With "standards" and other trappings that some disagree with and some things we are not in total agreement, He says to stay.



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Sorry there PO, didn't mean to be a "busybody"

I thought there was a bit of discussion about standards and how they vary from district to district.

Br "E"s a prime example of how ones convctions can become non biblical man made standards, enforced as though God penned the scripture that some think is in the bible. "Men be thou clean shaven" Steve 3:16

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Sorry there PO, didn't mean to be a "busybody"

I thought there was a bit of discussion about standards and how they vary from district to district.

Br "E"s a prime example of how ones convctions can become non biblical man made standards, enforced as though God penned the scripture that some think is in the bible. "Men be thou clean shaven" Steve 3:16

I'm sorry. After I hit submit I thought it would come across that way. LOL! I was just wanting to express how I feel and did not mean to target you being a "busybody".

I suppose you are right. In some discussions it might be necessary to bring out an example. I think, at times, it may not be possible to avoid that.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You know what my point about all of this is? A question for those that are against the UPCI and what they stand for. Renda may want to move this to it's own thread.

We have been through our share of trouble, but being guided by the Lord, He says to stay and see it through, He will bring the victory. We have seen this happen.

Now, the question - What would those opposing the UPCI have us do? Walk away from the will of God or obey His direction - "Stay where you are and see it through"? With "standards" and other trappings that some disagree with and some things we are not in total agreement, He says to stay.

I think this is a very serious question and matter. For those, adamantly, pushing against the UPCI and it's leadership, it appears to me that they are interfering in people's lives and the direction God would have them walk.

It is my opinion that we are being perfected and must be very careful to walk through and not around situations, circumstances, trials, etc., that we face. We must always go to God and find direction.

It appears to me, from observation, that some are directing and counseling others to find their own direction and make their own decisions.

I believe that part of being perfected (maturing) is going through trials, learning, growing, etc. After all, "In patience, possess ye your souls."

We always know, "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

And so, the question:

If God is telling me to stay where I am, how do I and how should I take those that oppose where I serve?

I need to log out, but I don't believe my questions were answered. Would someone care to indulge me? The questions in bold......