NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 15

Adam · #**141** 10-24-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Why do y'all think Jesus was baptized?

For the remission of his sins.

notofworks · #**142** 10-24-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

So his own obedience in obeying the Gospel was an act in futility? When he was told to arise and be baptized washing away his sins was just for what?
You might want to keep reading in Acts 16, after verse 31 it says Paul and Silas "spoke the word of the Lord" to his whole house and low and behold, "...immediatley he was baptized, he and all his household".
Your example falls short when not taken into context.

Believe and you shall be saved. Baptism is the response of the saved. My German Shepherd can nearly understand that.

Paul's own obedience to the gospel? Yes, of course, but when did he follow the three steps?

sandie · #**143** 10-24-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Did you come to God fully aware and persuaded that repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost were all absolutely necessary for salvation? Or did you need some clarification and extra explanation to come to that conclusion?

I'm not the one who said this:
"The epistles are written to church goers so why are they told how to have church? The epistles are written to communion takers so why are they told about communion? The epistles are written to those who done know about the work of Christ so why do they need to be told about it again?"

You need to figure out the whys, I already know who was being written to and why.

notofworks · #**144** 10-24-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

For the remission of his sins.

You know, if that's what baptism were for, that's why He would have been baptized, but since Christ was sinless, he must have been baptized for another reason!! Actually, the bible specifically says why he was baptized. Jesus told John the Baptist exactly why.

sandie · #**145** 10-24-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Believe and you shall be saved. Baptism is the response of the saved. My German Shepherd can nearly understand that.

Paul's own obedience to the gospel? Yes, of course, but when did he follow the three steps?

Baptism is in response to a good conscience toward God, as one has repented and is being obedient to the Gospel.
My cat knows that....so?

notofworks · #**146** 10-24-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

Baptism is in response to a good conscience toward God, as one has repented and is being obedient to the Gospel.
My cat knows that....so?

So baptism is not a part of salvation.

sandie · #**147** 10-24-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Don't hurt yourself....I will not be responsible.

Sam · #**148** 10-24-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Believe and you shall be saved. Baptism is the response of the saved. My German Shepherd can nearly understand that.

Paul's own obedience to the gospel? Yes, of course, but when did he follow the three steps?

It seems like Paul followed the three steps but not in the conventional order.
1. January 25, AD 32 he was justified/saved/born again when he encountered Jesus, believed in His resurrection, and called Him Lord
2. Three days later Ananias came in to him at the house on Straight Street where had been staying, and laid his hands on him that he might be filled/baptized with the Spirit.
3. Then he was commanded to get up and go somewhere to immerse himself (mikveh/baptism) for a ceremonial washing (or maybe they just poured water on his head three times according to tradition if running water was not available)

jfrog · #**149** 10-24-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

I'm not the one who said this:
"The epistles are written to church goers so why are they told how to have church? The epistles are written to communion takers so why are they told about communion? The epistles are written to those who done know about the work of Christ so why do they need to be told about it again?"

You need to figure out the whys, I already know who was being written to and why.

Just answer this one question. If you are right that what it takes to be saved doesn't need to be reiterated in the epistles then WHY does Peter reiterate that baptism is necessary for salvation in 1 Peter 3:21? Seems kind of contrary to your original premise doesn't it? I mean if your original premise is right then Peter didn't need to reiterate the necessity of baptism and yet he did.

Also, Paul reiterates the necessity of the Holy Spirit in Romans 8. Why did Paul reiterate this when your original premise is that Paul shouldn't need to reiterate anything about salvation since he is talking to already saved people?

And finally we get to the Holy Grail of topics. We have Peter reiterating about the necessity of baptism in 1 Peter 3:21. We have Paul reiterating about the necessity of the Holy Ghost in Romans 8. But where do we find in any of the epistles any reiteration about the Holy Ghost always being accompanied by tongues? We don't. In fact, we can find at least 1 reiteration of every other belief of the three step doctrine in the epistles except for that one. Why?

sandie · #**150** 10-24-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

So baptism is not a part of salvation.

Jesus said: those who believe AND are baptized shall be saved. It all starts with faith, faith is essential, do you not agree with that? All thru Acts baptism is preached, we obey the Gospel by repenting, being baptized in HIS NAME for the remission of sins, and recieving the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus said we must be born again....of the water and the Spirit. Without faith we wouldn't do any of this.