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Old 06-09-2007, 08:23 AM
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Here are some references in the Bible of ladies being used of God

Mary Romans 16:6
Phoebe Romans 16:1
Dorcas Acts 18: 24-28
Syntyche Philippians 4;2
Deborah Judges 4
Mariam Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12;1
Huldah 2 Kings 22:13-20; 2 Chronicles 34: 21 - 28
Tryphena, Tryphosa, Persis , Romans 16:6


Theses ladies were used of God mightily so God must not mind ladies
being used in His chruch. I am not saying that a lady should ever upsurp authority over their pastors but if the pastor calls upon that lady to do something in the chruch then the lady may do so but under the anointing of the Lord and under the leadership of her church and that may be for example as a teacher, singing, leading in the preliminaries of the service and many other ways . I think the passage given earlier was talking about the relationship between a husband and a wife We have to be very careful we don't take a scripture out of context but read the entire passage to get the full meaning of what is being said or taught

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There are some wonderful lady missionaries in the mission field and one of those I know is sister Alvear and I am sure that she ministers under the direction of her missionary husband but at the same time I would say in some cases she witnesses and leads souls to the Lord .

My point is God does use women in His work but in the proper manner.
And where does it say any of the wonderful ladies preached???? I must have missed that?
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Old 06-09-2007, 09:49 AM
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And where does it say any of the wonderful ladies preached???? I must have missed that?
Respectfully, how do we know they didn't?!
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Old 06-09-2007, 09:51 AM
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Respectfully, how do we know they didn't?!
You go Sista!

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Old 06-11-2007, 09:27 AM
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Here are some references in the Bible of ladies being used of God

Mary Romans 16:6
Phoebe Romans 16:1
Dorcas Acts 18: 24-28
Syntyche Philippians 4;2
Deborah Judges 4
Mariam Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12;1
Huldah 2 Kings 22:13-20; 2 Chronicles 34: 21 - 28
Tryphena, Tryphosa, Persis , Romans 16:6


Theses ladies were used of God mightily so God must not mind ladies
being used in His chruch. I am not saying that a lady should ever upsurp authority over their pastors but if the pastor calls upon that lady to do something in the chruch then the lady may do so but under the anointing of the Lord and under the leadership of her church and that may be for example as a teacher, singing, leading in the preliminaries of the service and many other ways . I think the passage given earlier was talking about the relationship between a husband and a wife We have to be very careful we don't take a scripture out of context but read the entire passage to get the full meaning of what is being said or taught

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There are some wonderful lady missionaries in the mission field and one of those I know is sister Alvear and I am sure that she ministers under the direction of her missionary husband but at the same time I would say in some cases she witnesses and leads souls to the Lord .

My point is God does use women in His work but in the proper manner.
Your post is entirely irrelevant because NO ONE HERE IS SAYING GOD DOESN'T USE WOMEN AT ALL IN THE CHURCH!!!!!!! Why do you and others insist on this nonsense of taking what some believe to be a prohibition against women serving as pastors or otherwise in church leadership and turining it into "God doesn't use women at all in the Church"?
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Old 06-11-2007, 09:28 AM
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If you go on and read vs 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Would you say 'they' is speaking of husband and wife? If yes, can you see how this passage relates to the marriage relationship and subjection of the wife to her husband and not a woman usurping authority over the preacher but over her husband? I think Bro Bruce may have a legitimate point with his translation of that passage.
No, verse 15 isn't speaking of husband and wife, it's only talking about women.
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Old 06-11-2007, 09:38 AM
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Respectfully, how do we know they didn't?!
There it is Barb. You have said it. Since it does NOT why make it up?
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And where does it say any of the wonderful ladies preached???? I must have missed that?
I did not say they preached if you reread what I wrote . What I said was that they were used of God in various ways okay .althought I believe there is no difference when it comes to male and female in the word of God in that we are all equal in Him .

There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, on the contrary that I have found so far but there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach or perhaps a better way to put it is to minister or spread the Gospel plan of salvation to those that are lost.


The Bible teaches that God is not a respecter of persons, and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 (KJV)

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, “Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:” Acts 10:34 (KJV)

There is an urgent need in this hour for more laborers. It is a scheme of the enemy to try to put thousands of faithful laborers on the sidelines just because they were born females.


When someone says, “God does not call women to preach,” it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: Acts 2:17-19 KJV


G4395
προφητεύω
prophēteuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
1a) to prophesy
1b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining especially to the kingdom of God
1c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
1d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
1d1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
1e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4396
Citing in TDNT: 6:781, 952

Both the Hebrew Nebrah, and the Greek Proph used for prophetess means female preacher.

~Young’s Concordance


The word “Prophesy” means to speak forth. The Bible says:

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV)


We learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.


The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God’s Word.

Even if the words prophet and preacher are separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent?


Would God inspire and anoint someone to do something that was wrong and sinful???

God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament.


DEBORAH – Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty.


“…the Lord made me (Deborah) have dominion over the mighty.” Judges 5:13 (KJV)


MIRIAM


“Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.” Exodus 15:20 (NIV)


Miriam was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.

God called and used women preachers in the New Testament.


The first message of the Resurresuction of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men.

Anna

36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. LUKE 2:36-38


She must have prophesied in church, because she did not leave the temple.


“…She did not go out from the temple enclosure…” Lk. 2:37 (Amp.)

Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied.

“He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.” Acts 21:9 (NIV)

Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.

Phoebe

1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. Romans 16:1-2


Paul commended Phoebe to the Church at Rome and requested they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul’s assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

Again I want to say that I personally will never upsurp athority over my pastor or leader who is under the annointing of God and will only do as I am asked to do under his leadership. I my self am a bible teacher and prayer intercessor not a pastor although many call me pastor in the prayer minsitry. I am just a humble servant of my Lord .I am just trying here to show that God does use women in various ways in His work Praise the Lord!!

My pastor happens to be Bro Rutledge and my Greek teacher happens to be Bro Klein and I have no problem whatsover sitting under them and learning the wonderful truths of God's word and all my sisters and brothers here and they have helped me so much in my walk in this wonderful truth of Jesus name. I think the main thing is that we all obey the aimplw plan of salvation taught in acts 2:38 etc and move as the Holy Spirit leads . For anyone to be a leader they must first be a servant and submissive to Jesus and to those appointed in authority over them in the Holy Ghost.I personally came out of a stong background of Trinity doctrine and only when the HolY Ghost revealed to me by revelation did I come out of that error teaching Praise the Lord!!

God bless
sister phyllis
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:38 PM
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Hi again

Just adding one more verse of Scritpure that I left out to what I have already written above:

1Co 14:3 (KJV) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

The above verse says'"speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation , and comfort"


We learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.


The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God’s Word.

Even if the words prophet and preacher are separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation comfort and edification to the church, if she or he were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent? Jesus did use women


Would God inspire and anoint someone to do something that was wrong and sinful??? Nno I do not believe Jesus would absolutely not. God did use women in the bible and He does today . His word never changes for He is the same today as He was yesterday

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Thank you but again the NAME of that woman who preached PUBLICLY to men in a local assembly.
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Name the woman mentioned in the Bible speaking in tongues.
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