Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I understand you are not "against the name Jesus". What I don't understand is why you are in favor of a doctrine and approach that is NOWHERE taught by the apostles, and in fact is CONTRADICTED by their example.

That's what I don't understand.

FlamingZword A.K.A Birddog I agree with Esaias, while you say your not ant-Jesus you still say Jesus is a BAD transliteration. While you aren't saying His name means Horse, or Hippo, or Hail Zeus, you do sound a little Yawish Hebrew Rootish?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"...you shall call His NAME...".

Did you hear that? The Lord's NAME is not "...wonderful,
counselor..."

ah, well that is future tense, so i guess technically Wonderful Counselor might not be applicable yet

i hear "Jesus" works perfectly fine to stop alien (Nephilim) abductions

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The name of the Lord is the greatest name in the history of the Earth. Yet we are supposed to believe it got lost before it ever made it to the ends of the Earth. We know the names of all the worlds leaders. But....we cannot know the name above every name!

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So Jesus mother called him IESOUS? Gabriel commanded Mary to name her son with the name IESOUS? A Greek name?

There was never a HEBREW NAME FOR THE LORD?

Hence this is a huge reason why you guys are looked upon as Yahwists and Hebrew Roots movement. While you haven't posted that Jesus means something horrible. You try to push your watered down sacred name teaching by having the same arguments as the Real Sacred Name teachers. Did Mary call Him Iesous? He had an apostle disciple named Φίλιππος, Philippos. Which is totally a Macedonian Greek name. I have already pointed out how His family departed to Egypt, and would of logically stayed with either relatives or friends in the areas which had Hellenized Judeans. These Judeans would of spoke the language of Hellenized Egypt which was Greek. Getting more to the point you are actually saying that the documents of the New Testament in Greek are only translated, transliterated weak facsimile? Which was originally composed in Aramaic or even more far fetched a HEBREW ORIGINAL? Matthew 1:21, supposedly written in Hebrew has a BAD transliterated name? Luke 1:31, and Luke 2:21 also have this BAD transliterated name? The original LOST for 2,000 years? That is sacred name arguments, and what is the correct name? Yĕhôshúa? or Yeshua? So, did His mother call Him Jesus, yes, she may of called Him by His hellenized name. She may of called Him יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yĕhôshúa, because that is the name that Iesous comes from. In the LXX the book of Yĕhôshúa is the book of Iesous.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sorry, since nobody "except Jews" called him Yeshua. Everybody else on the planet called him by his name IN THEIR LANGUAGE. Iesous, Jesus, Jesucristo, Yesu, etc.

The fact remains, the apostles never taught Gentiles to call him Yeshua. His name was preserved by Divine Ordinance in GREEK.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Yes we know the names of all the world leaders, but we don't pronounce them in the language of origin. We pronounce them in English.

So I guess we should really be calling him Jehoshua, Joshua.

Bro, and this is where the whole argument boils down to...what is the original? "Some" get so wound up in wanting to be more Hebraic, they go off to the point of even making up new even more Hebrew sounding names. Yahavashua? Where did this doozey come from? Some mad Yahwist's wild imagination. He claimed that the tetragrammaton was in the name of Jesus. So, when the Judeans looked at the cross and saw the name in Hebrew it made up the Tetragrammaton. That was the reason the Judean leaders asked Pilate to take down the sign from above the head of Christ. Crazy ideas which come from crazier theological notions.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I've never heard an American call him Benyameen, though...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

We call Kaiser Wilhelm "Wilhelm" not "Vilhelm". We call Adolf Hitler "Aydolf" not "Ahdulf".

We call Moses "Mozes" not "Moyshuh".

Why not write the Saviour's name in Hebrew, too? After all, that's how it was originally written, right?

Let me tell you, when I first....first...ever walked into a "Christian" church when I was young it was a Messianic Hebrew roots congregation having a Bible study. The Bible study was on "the language of heaven" the teacher was teaching the congregation to speak Hebrew, to write Hebrew, and I was given a pen with a notebook. Mind you I was a first time visitor. So, puzzled, I listened to the teacher as he wrote on the blackboard, and instructed everyone to follow along. I raised my hand and asked "why are we doing this?" He sternly piped up and said "Because when we get to heaven we need to understand everyone." I replied, "won't everyone understand each other?" The teacher now even more upset, with the students following along with their peering eyes at me, said "Because in Heaven everyone must speak Hebrew!!" I thought to myself, wow my goose is cooked, I can barely speak or write English, let alone HEBREW.

[Esaias]

Mazeltof!!!

lol

[Steve Epley]

Again who on here reads and speaks ancient Hebrew?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again who on here reads and speaks ancient Hebrew?

Pardon me, I speak Jive...

Good enough, I guess?