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Is anything to hard for the Lord?
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You mean like Jesus being able to defend one of His belivers?  oloroid
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08-18-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Is anything to hard for the Lord?
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Psa 24:1-10
"The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah."
Hooray!!! Amen!
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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08-18-2007, 02:16 PM
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Hey RevDWW that's a beautiful picture of you and your wife. 
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Can you love your enemy (thief, robber, murderer) and shoot him dead for defending you home, all the while knowing he is going to hell. Should you not at least take him through the sinners prayer before pulling the trigger??  |
Dear Brother Matthew, that may work for a Baptist, but we being Apostolic Pentecostals would have to pray him through to tongues and then baptize him in Jesus name for the remission of sins. My question is this, when do we give him the "Search for Truth" Bible study? How does one hold a gun on someone while flipping those big pages of the chart?
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08-18-2007, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Dear Brother Matthew, that may work for a Baptist, but we being Apostolic Pentecostals would have to pray him through to tongues and then baptize him in Jesus name for the remission of sins. My question is this, when do we give him the "Search for Truth" Bible study? How does one hold a gun on someone while flipping those big pages of the chart?
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Brother Benincasa
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Well, I would say we MUST have a reader to read the scriptures as we call them out.
Seriously, I cannot say what I would do, but I do not believe God would be pleased with me to take any mans life.
1Cor 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cor 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cor 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
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08-18-2007, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Well, I would say we MUST have a reader to read the scriptures as we call them out.
Seriously, I cannot say what I would do, but I do not believe God would be pleased with me to take any mans life.
1Cor 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cor 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cor 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. |
You know you could always hold the gun on them and have them read and flip pages.
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08-18-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Well, I would say we MUST have a reader to read the scriptures as we call them out.
Seriously, I cannot say what I would do, but I do not believe God would be pleased with me to take any mans life.
1Cor 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cor 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cor 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. |
I missed this part thought it was your signature.
Very GOOD Brother!
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Can you love your enemy (thief, robber, murderer) and shoot him dead for defending you home, all the while knowing he is going to hell. Should you not at least take him through the sinners prayer before pulling the trigger??
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Adds a whole new meaning to delivering someone, doesn't it? 
Yep, defending yourself in such a manner is just that silly!! Thanks STMATTHEW for the reminder. 
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-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
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08-18-2007, 08:24 PM
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Again, while I cannot say I could live up to it without the help of the Lord, I cannot see scripturally taking up arms to defend yourself, your family, or your country. I see just the opposite, in fact. How do you that believe that way fit these verses into the equation:
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all [men].
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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08-18-2007, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Again, while I cannot say I could live up to it without the help of the Lord, I cannot see scripturally taking up arms to defend yourself, your family, or your country. I see just the opposite, in fact. How do you that believe that way fit these verses into the equation:
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all [men].
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. |
Again, if we were talking about vengeance....rending evil for evil, then this verse applies. But this verse has nothing to do with protecting innocent lives. Is it a good thing to protect the innocent? Or is it an evil thing? Is it an evil thing to stop a man with a gun from killing others indiescrimatly, those that are unarmed and have done nothing to warrant such killing? Is that evil or good?
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