End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

So true Elder - But she has been told this over & over & over:










She will never recant, no matter how much biblical, exegetical, & syntactical evidence we may provide:







Sad......

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

She will never recant, no matter how much biblical, exegetical, & syntactical evidence we may provide:







Sad......

Sad for you all, maybe. Christ does not condemn her.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=45709&page=4

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Sad for you all, maybe. Christ does not condemn her.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=45709&page=4

Ummm, what on earth do you think this proves ?


Yes, the Bible clearly condemns any woman who "teaches-preaches" the Scriptures to men in the church - she is functioning outside of her God-given place - & as said before, we would get up & walk out.


Your posts are incoherent & seem to just ramble - hence, I do not really take them seriously anyway.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

I notices a similarity in the terms used in Rom 16 and Acts 6.

Rom 16:1..  ..I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea.

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve (diakoneō) tables.

Rom 16:2..  ..That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Act 6:3..  ..Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

The men who were appointed over serving tables were NO more preaching tables than the women in listed in Luke 8:3, were preaching (diakoneō) unto Christ of their substance. They men were over serving tables in Acts 6 just as the women were ministering/serving Him of their substance in Luke 8:3. What they were responsible for was labeled business in Acts 6 just as Paul encouraged the Romans to assist Phebe in her business. In all three places is was ministering-serving-assisting so others could more effectively perform their duties. In the specific cases, it was serving and not preaching!

You have said this before, but that's not what scripture is saying. The brethren in Acts 6 being spoken to were not waiting tables. They were disciples present with the 12 as stated in verse 2.

the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them

Then said to them, Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report,

Again, where do you get they were speaking to the men waiting tables?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You have said this before, but that's not what scripture is saying. The brethren in Acts 6 being spoken to were not waiting tables. They were disciples present with the 12 as stated in verse 2.

the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them

Then said to them, Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report,

Again, where do you get they were speaking to the men waiting tables?

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

1 Was not the concern that the Apostles was being taken away from the word of God and prayer.

2 Was not the solution to their present concern, appointing seven men who would be appointed over the business, so the Apostles could be given to prayer and the Word?

3 Not to be lost in your quibbling, was not the "serve" in verse number 2 (as in serve tables) the word we get deacon from?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

1 Was not the concern that the Apostles was being taken away from the word of God and prayer.

2 Was not the solution to their present concern, appointing seven men who would be appointed over the business, so the Apostles could be given to prayer and the Word?

3 Not to be lost in your quibbling, was not the "serve" in verse number 2 (as in serve tables) the word we get deacon from?

1. Yes
2. What business? Tablewaiting?
3. Yes, but their mention of such had nothing to do with the topic being spoken about.

I can say, "My job keeps me to busy that if I don't find help, I might as well dig rocks. I need to find someone to help me in my job so I can continue doing what I need to do."

This doesn't mean I'm looking for rock diggers to help me with my job, which happens to be at a bakery. The Apostles were busy but they called for disciples to help them, they didn't call for tablewaiters to help them.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

I notices a similarity in the terms used in Rom 16 and Acts 6.

Rom 16:1..  ..I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea.

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve (diakoneō) tables.

Rom 16:2..  ..That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Act 6:3..  ..Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

The men who were appointed over serving tables were NO more preaching tables than the women in listed in Luke 8:3, were preaching (diakoneō) unto Christ of their substance. They men were over serving tables in Acts 6 just as the women were ministering/serving Him of their substance in Luke 8:3. What they were responsible for was labeled business in Acts 6 just as Paul encouraged the Romans to assist Phebe in her business. In all three places is was ministering-serving-assisting so others could more effectively perform their duties. In the specific cases, it was serving and not preaching!

As for 'diakonos', I see your point above, but the following verses use the same word.

Rom 13:4

For he is the minister G1249 of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister G1249 of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

1Cr 3:5

Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers G1249 by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?


2Cr 3:6

Who also hath made us able ministers G1249 of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2Cr 6:4

But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers G1249 of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

2Cr 11:15

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers G1249 also be transformed as the ministers G1249 of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2Cr 11:23

Are they ministers G1249 of Christ? (I speak as a fool ) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.


Eph 3:7

Whereof I was made a minister, G1249 according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Eph 6:21

But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister G1249 in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

Col 1:7

As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister G1249 of Christ;


Col 1:23

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; G1249

Col 1:25

Whereof I am made a minister, G1249 according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Col 4:7

All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister G1249 and fellowservant in the Lord:

1Th 3:2

And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister G1249 of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:


1Ti 4:6

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister G1249 of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.


Are you willing to admit that the above people named as 'diakonos' were merely servants and tablewaiters?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

As for 'diakonos', I see your point above, but the following verses use the same word.

Rom 13:4

For he is the minister G1249 of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister G1249 of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

1Cr 3:5

Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers G1249 by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?


2Cr 3:6

Who also hath made us able ministers G1249 of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2Cr 6:4

But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers G1249 of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

2Cr 11:15

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers G1249 also be transformed as the ministers G1249 of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2Cr 11:23

Are they ministers G1249 of Christ? (I speak as a fool ) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.


Eph 3:7

Whereof I was made a minister, G1249 according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Eph 6:21

But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister G1249 in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

Col 1:7

As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister G1249 of Christ;


Col 1:23

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; G1249

Col 1:25

Whereof I am made a minister, G1249 according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Col 4:7

All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister G1249 and fellowservant in the Lord:

1Th 3:2

And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister G1249 of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:


1Ti 4:6

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister G1249 of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.


Are you willing to admit that the above people named as 'diakonos' were merely servants and tablewaiters?

Lets skip to the chase can a woman be the husband of one wife, that is the qualifications of a deacon, 1 Tim 3:12?! While a woman can serve (which is what minister and deacon implies) she cannot be a deacon, unless you would promote and embrace same sex marriages.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Lets skip to the chase can a woman be the husband of one wife, that is the qualifications of a deacon, 1 Tim 3:12?! While a woman can serve (which is what minister and deacon implies) she cannot be a deacon, unless you would promote and embrace same sex marriages.

Your point in posting those verses was NOT to prove women couldn't be a deacon, it was to prove 'diakonos' was nothing more than a mere servant or tablewaiter, which I proved wrong, that's all.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by RJR

Lets skip to the chase can a woman be the husband of one wife, that is the qualifications of a deacon, 1 Tim 3:12?! While a woman can serve (which is what minister and deacon implies) she cannot be a deacon, unless you would promote and embrace same sex marriages.

They were not preaching tables they were serving tables in Acts 6 (regardless of who actually served).

They were not preaching unto him of their substance in Luke 8:3, they were ministering unto Him of their substance. One can serve and minister without being a preacher.

If you cannot see that you do not want to see it!