21st Century Plague: Domineering, Bossy Women

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think this thread is an example of dealing with the results and not the problem.

If men were real men then the ladies could be ladies and not have to try and fulfil two roles.

But when things are in balance as Sis A mentioned this issue is not there.

Where is Neck when we need him?

Sounds a little bossy to me....

[Falla39]

We all need the mind of Christ. In Christ there is neither male nor female,
neither slave or free, When we are IN Christ, we neither SPEAK as male
or female but as children of God.

Neither SHOULD we judge one another. Neither should we call each other
names. That's like misbehaving children. Growing up, if we brothers and
sisters called each other names, Dad would make up hug each other and
tell each other we were sorry. He was teaching us that it was not except-
able to call each other names.

If we have the love of Christ shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost,
there should signs of it. By this shall all men know that you are my disciples,
(followers, etc.) IF you have love toward one another. Brothers, Sisters, let
us love one another, for love is of God, for God IS LOVE!!


Blessings,

Falla39

[Sister Alvear]

So true...name calling always gives me such an uneasy feeling...I seldom read some type posts because it makes me uncomfortable.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Falla39

We all need the mind of Christ. In Christ there is neither male nor female,
neither slave or free, When we are IN Christ, we neither SPEAK as male
or female but as children of God.

Neither SHOULD we judge one another. Neither should we call each other
names. That's like misbehaving children. Growing up, if we brothers and
sisters called each other names, Dad would make up hug each other and
tell each other we were sorry. He was teaching us that it was not except-
able to call each other names.

If we have the love of Christ shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost,
there should signs of it. By this shall all men know that you are my disciples,
(followers, etc.) IF you have love toward one another. Brothers, Sisters, let
us love one another, for love is of God, for God IS LOVE!!


Blessings,

Falla39

Amen!

[Sister Alvear]

...so may we follow on to know the Lord who would have us to live in love and harmony...

[Esther]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Sounds a little bossy to me....

What!

[Falla39]

I had posted this on another thread but thought it might be good to
post it here as well. It is not to be offensive, but to be enlightening!

Call Us Bossy, Call Us Domineering, But Somebody's Gotta Do It

They were not UPC at the time, but Apostolic Jesus Name Pentecostals,
after my late paternal grandmother, the first of our family, obeyed
the apostolic plan of salvation. This was in 1933, approximately 1900
yrs. after Jesus was crucified in 33 A.D.

They had been long time devout Methodists. She went against the tradi-
tions of her mother and father. Her husband asked her after she was bap-
tized in Jesus Name, "What will your brothers and sisters in the Methodist
church think?" She replied that she couldn't help what they thought. She
had paid her dues (which Dad said usually consisted of a few turkeys and/
or chickens), she raised both.) and that what she now owed was to the
Lord Jesus Christ who died for her sins.

Grandma followed on to know the Lord with her young 14 yr. old son, my
late father, following her. Together they studied the Word of God with a
passion.

In the beginning, after my parents founded the church that we still attend
50 yrs later, it was mostly women that came and brought their children. It
was not the men/fathers that led their families to the church. It was the
same way for decades in the (indepentant apostolic church, we attended,
until I was 11 yrs. old and we moved to our present city in 1950.
My late grandmother and her older sister, in their later years, prayed and
fasted for God to send men to help their church. Today that church is filled
with great men of God. It once was that little church (literally) across the
tracks, but it now the largest church (UPC) in that small town. The high
school seniors have their Baccularuate there every May/June.

Neither was it my maternal grandfather who took his wife and children
to church. It was his little wife, the mother of 12 (living) children, who
took her children to this little apostolic church. In fact her husband fought
her as she took them to church, where she had received the Holy Ghost.

He was such a tyrant because of hating the Pentecostal church, they
divorced later in life. As a young child I could not understand why.

When my mother was a young lady, about 17 yrs old, he whipped her and
brought blood because a young man came and sat down beside her at the
Pentecostal church. She told him she didn't sit down by him but that he
came and sat down beside her. He replied he whipped her because she didn't
move.

He drank quite a lot as did some of his sons. Thankfully God saved my mother
out of that ungodly mess. She met the son of another mother that received
the Holy Ghost in that same revival and church. From those two mothers that
God brought out of darkness into His marvelous light, God brought together a
young couple who married and followed on to know the Lord in a goodly way.
This couple was my late wonderful godly parents.

My mother told me that about three days before they married, she and Dad
made plans and discussed their future. About how they would raise the family
God would give them. She said they agreed together that they would en-
endeavor, by His help and grace, to trust HIM in everything, including child-
birth. Mom told me that God just put faith in her heart. They did trust Him
and He never failed them. Our family has been SO blessed. The blessings of
the LORD maketh rich.

It was my two little "five foot, take or add a inch or so" grandmothers
that led the way to the church. It wasn't their husbands that led the
way. This is in no way putting those men who have led their families, but
this was the way it happened in our family, in the beginning.

After our late parents married and began their family, it was Dad who led
the way for his family, in the home and in the church. Mom was his "God-
given" helpmate. She was helpful in many ways in the church, even having
several small children. But there was order in our home and in the church.
We were taught to behave in the home and in church. They were a team
together (laborers together with God).

Today in the church our late father founded and pastored until just before
his homegoing, there is an abundance of good men AND ladies.

Dad used to say, "Yes, we've come a long way, Baby". and we have.

Blessings,

Falla39

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

We see THEM in every commercial, sitcom, movie, book, magazine, board room, office, store and restaurant. THEY are active in every church, attempting - with much success- to control the choir, the music, the praise band, the Sunday School, the youth group, the finances, the pastor and the overall direction of the church.

Who are THEY?

They are domineering women. They are here, and in your face.

The twenty-first century woman is no longer satisfied with gender equality. No, the twenty-first century woman wants to exert her will through a variety of means which include - but is not limited to - manipulation, intimidation, threats and litigation. She wants to be in control. Above men.

This is a perversion of God's plan for humanity. Men and women are to roll through life on parallel tracks carefully constructed by God IN THE BEGINNING. Any deviation from these roles leads to familial and societal train wrecks.

Here is what the Bible has to say about domineering women.

"A woman must be a learner, listening quietly and with due submission. I do not permit a woman to be a teacher, nor must woman domineer over man; she should be quiet". (1 Timothy 2:11,12 New English Bible).

Woman in quietness let her be learning in all subjection; to be teaching but to woman not I am permitting, nor to be playing master of male person, but to be in quietness." (1 Timothy 2:11,12. Greek text translated by Westcott and Hort).

It is clear that God does not approve of domieering women. It is also clear that God expects women to be complements to men, in spite of perceived masculine weaknesses.

When wives fulfil their God-given allotted place they are happy, and have an enjoyable, interesting, and peaceful relationship with God and their husbands.

Sound a lot like what men been doing forever to women!!! My thoughts on this whole plague thing, men have become like women, so this whole role change should not become as a big surprises



y !

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think this thread is an example of dealing with the results and not the problem.

If men were real men then the ladies could be ladies and not have to try and fulfil two roles.

But when things are in balance as Sis A mentioned this issue is not there.

Where is Neck when we need him?

******************************************

Esther, Thanks for whispering the prayer.

I will mention a few things and then read more through the thread.

It is true we used to have

"Hard Working men, and beautiful woman".

"Now we have hard working woman and beautiful men"

That is a social problem that exist in the world today.

Brought about by "the" revolution of the 1960's and the "free" love of the 1970's.

Somewhere in that equation many men stepped out on their responsibilites.

I will pose this question.

What were the ladies of society to do?

Sit back and marry another deadbeat?

Sit back and wait for a man to be a man?

Some very gracious, lovely and sophisticated woman became tough over time.

If you are seeing woman rise to the occasion in your inner circle.

Such as your home or church.

Then something in the equation is out of order.

I know that I am responsible for only one relationship to be in balance.

That is between me and my wife.

I have a son who over the past 18 years has been in and out of hospitals on a montly basis.

I have seen first had what my wife can handle and take while under extreme pressure.

Now during this 18 years, would I consider that taking my son would be the sole responsibility of my wife?

Should I say that is a woman's role to take care of the kids?

Should I look at anything in my life as a hands off routine because I am a man?

To me a real man, a considerate man, a loving man, a bible man, a strong man, a caring man, a man among boys.

Does not look to divide up their lives with what "he" will or will not do.

I have always looked to help my wife's trouble, stress, anxiety, pressure, fears, workload become lighter by not adding to the pile.

Woman take on roles when men just refuse to do the task.

It you are a pastor of a church and it appears that some ladies are taking on strong roles.

Call a meeting with all the men in your church and tell them to get off their duffs and take on some leadership.

Same thing with your home.

Don't lead with a loud voice, clinched fist and sharp word.

Lead by doing and example.....


Most men claim they are approached by their wives on a continual basis to only solve problems.

They in sorts become the boss or manager of the mans time and life.

It is simply because you force her to step into your space and causing her to tell you what needs to get done.

Many men tell their friends she just keeps telling me what to do....

Try and share some time with her in her space.

Spend sometime folding clothes together at the end of the day.

Help her in the kitchen when she is cleaning up before bed.

I have started preparing my wife something to drink as she cleans the kitchen.

I share sometime with her in her world.

Then I ask her what needs to get done the next day.

What she would like for me to help or take care of....

So when I wake up in the morning, I already know her wishes.

I do not have to get side tracked or approached and told what to do...

It is simple conversation that puts my wife at ease and keeps me on track.

I can only put it this way.

In society today, many men stopped cutting their grass, changing their own oil etc.

So many ladies are outside cutting the grass and taking their car into the garage.

The point being most woman will not sit back and let things go undone.

My personal quote.

"If the man is lazy the lady will be crazy......"

Men start with yourself first.....

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Neck

******************************************

Esther, Thanks for whispering the prayer.

I will mention a few things and then read more through the thread.

It is true we used to have

"Hard Working men, and beautiful woman".

"Now we have hard working woman and beautiful men"

That is a social problem that exist in the world today.

Brought about by "the" revolution of the 1960's and the "free" love of the 1970's.

Somewhere in that equation many men stepped out on their responsibilites.

I will pose this question.

What were the ladies of society to do?

Sit back and marry another deadbeat?

Sit back and wait for a man to be a man?

Some very gracious, lovely and sophisticated woman became tough over time.

If you are seeing woman rise to the occasion in your inner circle.

Such as your home or church.

Then something in the equation is out of order.

I know one thing that I am responsible for only one relationship to be in balance.

That is between me and my wife.

I have a son who over the past 18 years has been in and out of hospitals on a montly basis.

I have seen first had what my wife can handle and take while under extreme pressure.

Now during this 18 years, would I consider that taking my son would be the sole responsibility of my wife?

Should I say that is a woman's role to take care of the kids?

Should I look at anything in my life as a hands off routine because I am a man?

To me a real man, a considerate man, a loving man, a bible man, a strong man, a caring man, a man among boys.

Does not look to divide up their lives with what "he" will or will not do.

I have always looked to help my wife's trouble, stress, anxiety, pressure, fears, workload become lighter by not adding to the pile.

Woman take on roles when men just refuse to do the task.

It you are a pastor of a church and it appears that some ladies are taking on strong roles.

Call a meeting with all the men in your church and tell them to get off their duffs and take on some leadership.

Same thing with your home.

Don't lead with a loud voice, clinched fist and sharp word.

Lead by doing and example.....

Spend sometime folding clothes together at the end of the day.

Help her in the kitchen when she is cleaning up before bed.

I can only put it this way.

In society today, many men stopped cutting their grass, changing their own oil etc.

So many ladies are outside cutting the grass and taking their car into the garage.

The point being most woman will not sit back and let things go undone.

If the man is lazy the lady will be crazy......

Men start with yourself first.....

Even in the church one can find many lazy men, Ive made it clear to my own daughters to get their education and own life in order , so they don't have to depend or stay in a bad situation.