The Bible is not the Word

[shazeep]

Nobody, that's who



Because, after all, you have cares, right,

you have things that you have to care about,





huh

[shazeep]

boy, i mighta gone too far now

kickin' this sacred cow.

or gutting it, whatever.

this one has to get ol' Jelly Bean-

-you're awful cute, btw

but i guess you're prolly married-

off the dime, prolly, huh.

So, if i'm gone-

and i won't come back,

if i get banned again, ok,

i won't use the Onion on ya again-

anyway, so if i'm already gone-

that doesn't even matter,

i have plenty of other towns to go to-

go find the Word, ok

that's all that matters to me

Word is what Christ is all about,

alright? Seek Word.



and anyone who gives you any bs about "that's all in the past" or "that's all in the future," well, take my advice, you just smile at them and say "thank you," and then run, run as fast as you can, ok. go figure out how to meet Him in the air, today. go seek how to get drunk in the morning, and find the difference 'tween that and the high you get from tares, ok.


thank you.

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Shazeep I apologize if I offended you in any way. Seriously. Have a great day.

[shazeep]

ah, no prob, we strive for the kingdom, that's what we do.

so anyway, JB, if i could remember your screen name, i would go see, even though the girl is sposed to come to the guy, i already know that, because it's in the Bible; and Jah brought the woman to Adam...well, plus, that isn't how we train our kids now, is it? we tell the boys to go get 'er

So anyway, since we don't know each other--i mean, you can't see me or anything--it would just be by way of sort of dong that, and not the other thing, but i can't seem to remem...oh, i just did. remember, i mean. well, so much for that
funny how we don't recall what we don't really...what doesn't fit with our agenda, huh.

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The bible is the word. Peter walked with Jesus and was one of the group whom Jesus prayed for to be sanctified and set apart and kept, or protected. The Father obviously answered that prayer. And Peter said Paul's epistles were on par with scripture, while scripture was God-breathed for salvation and doctrine and reproof. No words are for salvation apart from God's words. And the ones whom Jesus prayed for made these statements.

Aside from symbols taken at will for anything we reinvent them to mean, the plain truth is the Bible is the word of God, and lays out precisely the truth of salvation. Show me witnesses against that, as I have just referred to these:

WITNESS 1:

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The written word is not man's whimsical thoughts, but words GOD wanted them to write. Hence, God's word.

WITNESS 2:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Only God's word being twisted would mean destruction for us. Not man's word. If the bible is not God's word, then whose word is it?

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Peter said the readers were stedfast but would fall from that if they, too, wrested Paul's words and others in the bible like them.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Don't fall from the stedfastness they had, but grow form that standpoint in grace. This shows us grace is the truth men like Paul wrote, and the standpoint from which we grow.

WITNESS 3:

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

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Jesus said the Father's word was truth.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

He prayed for the apostles to be sanctified in that verse. And we must believe the truth to be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The Spirit sanctified the apostles and the word of truth is God's word.

After saying the word of God is truth (John 17:17) and then reading we are saved through BELIEF OF THE TRUTH (2 Thess 2:13), we realize that we must believe the word of God to be saved.

We then read the scriptures are for salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

So the scripture teaches us faith in Christ, and that saves us. So, if we are saved by belief of the truth, and the scriptures teach us salvation, then the scriptures are truth. This, in turn, means that the scriptures are the word of God.

SUMMARY:

1. God's word is truth. (John 17:17)
2. We are saved by belief of the truth. (2 Thess 2:13)
3. Scriptures teach us how to be saved. (2 Tim 3:15)
4. So Scriptures are the truth, and the word of God is truth.
5. That can only mean scriptures are the word of God.

Now, Peter for whom Jesus prayed to be sanctified by the truth (which is God's word - John 17:17) said that Paul's words are twisted by some like the OTHER SCRIPTURES, putting Paul's writings on par with scripture that saves and is God's word.

That is why Paul had the right to say His writings are the commandments of God.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


And anyone who thinks they're spiritual better agree his writings are the commandments of God. Those who disagree are not spiritual, but liars.

[KeptByTheWord]

Amen!

This is a witness to the Word of God that stands, and has stood the test of time.

Build your house on the rock of Jesus, and not on the sinking sand of man's opinion.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The bible is the word. Peter walked with Jesus and was one of the group whom Jesus prayed for to be sanctified and set apart and kept, or protected. The Father obviously answered that prayer. And Peter said Paul's epistles were on par with scripture, while scripture was God-breathed for salvation and doctrine and reproof. No words are for salvation apart from God's words. And the ones whom Jesus prayed for made these statements.

Aside from symbols taken at will for anything we reinvent them to mean, the plain truth is the Bible is the word of God, and lays out precisely the truth of salvation. Show me witnesses against that, as I have just referred to these:

WITNESS 1:

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The written word is not man's whimsical thoughts, but words GOD wanted them to write. Hence, God's word.

WITNESS 2:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Only God's word being twisted would mean destruction for us. Not man's word. If the bible is not God's word, then whose word is it?

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Peter said the readers were stedfast but would fall from that if they, too, wrested Paul's words and others in the bible like them.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Don't fall from the stedfastness they had, but grow form that standpoint in grace. This shows us grace is the truth men like Paul wrote, and the standpoint from which we grow.

WITNESS 3:

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

if you will pursue the Commandment, as opposed to the Commandments, in Deuteronomy 30, starting at about v10, through 14, i think it is, keeping in mind the passages that describe how the Word is obscured, in other places, you will understand why the Book is manifested from the Word, and is essential for everything that It states that It is essential for, but the Book is not the Word. Finding the Word is the experience Paul describes, that is ascribed by apostates to "Rapture." I'll post this, so i can provide a Witness form your 1Cor ref there, which will follow., prolly in this same post, ok.

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The written word is not man's whimsical thoughts, but words GOD wanted them to write. Hence, God's word.

So, here we have the Spirit breathing Pneuma to men, and the men writing what the Spirit breathed to them; one devolution, right away there, because future readers are not, now, experiencing the Word directly, they are reading It, and can easily misunderstand some aspect, some phrase.

So, Word breathes to me that when Word manifests, say into Book, into "words," i write down that eklectrons move down in their orbits, how is that working out for you, Mike. You grasp that Word? Of course It is just an example, and i don't mean to imply what your brain is grabbing onto right now, ok? Because i can see quite plainly where you want to go from there, and it is missing the point ok. The "eklectrons" thing is just my way of saying that Book cannot be Word, because when you open your Book, no breath comes out. Word is always right now, and always from God, and even when a man hears--or, i mean "hears," here, of course--Word, and repeats Word to the next guy in line, with his breath, the concept already starts changing, doesn't it. Nests become mansions, and one must seek, must ask further up the line, in order to find nests again. Book cannot, by definition, be Word.

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WITNESS 2:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Only God's word being twisted would mean destruction for us. Not man's word. If the bible is not God's word, then whose word is it?

here the devolution of nest into mansion is being plainly discussed, reflected in "scribes scribing up the Book" in other passages, and while you said a mouthful, @ "Only God's word being twisted would mean destruction for us," you are unwilling to abandon your mansion and your rapture, and face walking through that door, physically, and leaving it all behind, gallon of water and all, because you have cares, and these require that you accept an apostate interpretation, no offense. that way you can continue to care for the things you care about, and do not have to seek any nest in the wind, because after all what kind of existence is that, right. so you are oh-so-carefully programmed, in your best interests of course, to be honest, and loyal, and successful, and pledge allegiance, and be a Patriot, and then maybe let's talk about God a little, maybe open up a little space for God somewhere, in a corner.

if you start accepting Word, next thing you have to do, obviously, is make some major, scary changes, and abandon your cares, MB. You will have to step off a cliff; jump out of a window in your mansion. Don't find love until you are ready. Hold on to that anchor as long as you need to. It happens different for everyone, ok. i thought Book was Word when i stepped out that door, 7 years ago. i didn't know. i just found out. like, yesterday. so now Paul's meet Christ in the air passage finally makes sense to me, as it will make sense to you. you will have the same understanding, even if you would put it in different words. Word is what you do when the whole room lights up, everything brightens, um, psychologically speaking, even, it is as if you said "We're all going to Disneyland!" to a room full of kids. sort of. It, Word, has that effect. There are no losers, with Word. It is always, win/win. The opposition will oppose It, for abundantly obvious and selfish reasons, because then they will no longer have power, control, slaves to manipulate, and their egos get starved, but just ask them what their loss is, why are they unhappy, at this wonderful Word, and their answer will not make sense. they will grab onto some bs excuse, if they are dumb enough to say anything at all, and it will sound completely ridiculous, and reflect some irrelevant care of the world, because of course they cannot say "well, then who will admire me, if everyone follows this Word? i will lose my status."

If the bible is not God's word, then whose word is it?

The Bible is Breathed from Word, and from God, but asking "whose Word is It?" when It is words in There, not Word, is like asking...a similar question, wherein we have two distinct definitions for one...word, and so the term "Word" is confusing, and a better way to ask the same question would be something like this, perhaps;

"If the Book is not God's Breath, then whose breath is It?"

well, of course It is no one's breath, anymore; It was Breathed, the same way you breathed "We're all going to Disneyland!"
now, what happens after you breath this? you start making preparations, right. to go to Disneyland. do you keep saying, with every breath, "We're going to Disneyland!" again? no. your breath persists, has a life of its own, has manifested much activity, toward what is now a common harvest. And the people involved, the kids, are going to be drunk on the wine, maybe they even wrote your words, your breath, into a book, their diary, say. they can now read it. "We're going to Disneyland!" they can read it all they like.

So, what happens when one of them writes, "We're going to a Grand Nest," because maybe they don't know how to spell Disneyland, or a better characterization would be that they have no concept of Disneyland, the big mansion there, that we all have a symbol of, in our minds? so, they aren't lying, they just had no concept, but they heard the word, the breath, the description of the mansion, and everything, but they are trying to record it for other people who have no concept of Disneyland or mansions, either. so they don't even know those terms, and forget how to even spell them, say. But the concept that they heard stays with them, and voila, mansions have become nests to everyone who reads their words, to these people who can grasp nests but not mansions, and, obviously, have a special affinity for nests, since that is the word that they associated with the concept.

Now, how happy are the other kids going to be, when you take that as Word, and take them to a big nest? that is hope deferred, i guess. well, no it isn't, not quite, hope deferred refers to something else, to deferring Paul's air experience to some future date, instead of today, but i am still on my one cuppa here, so that is the best i can do for mow. ok, that is how happy you are going to be when your deferred hope lands you in some mansions in the future sky, which i bet will prolly happen, Mike, God honors what comes from ones breath, which is why we are cautioned so many different ways about breathing out without thinking.

so i bet you are going to get what you ask for there; wouldn't surprise me a bit. you build it a little firmer every time you say it.

things get a little more chaotic, the more people repeat the stress-filled yack they see on the news. the whole point is to get everyone breathing "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" because that is how you make the sky fall, that is how you move mountains. all of us, together, breathing the same thing. as you think, and speak, so are you. you are going to get your mansion, your plantation, which requires slaves to sacrifice and build for you. and it is us who reaps what we sow. God will give you whatever you seek. that is a promise, in the Book;

"SEEK, AND YOU WILL FIND."

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34Womenf should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

what law says this? where is the "Law?"

35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.g

it is a disgrace for an apostate man to change nests into mansions, to mislead the sheep. there is no male/female in the kingdom. ergo, it is equally not a disgrace for a woman, coming from her man, to be a shepherd. no, this is not the natural order of things, and i don't know why a woman would want to be a shepherd, or start lifting weights, for that matter, but necessity is a mother, and men, physical men, the authority, are the focus of attack, and so women are often forced into this out of necessity, i guess. if you make a hard and fast Command, Law, Rule, and then try to enforce it in every situation, see what will happen, as this next verse alludes to.

36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?

what happened? did we just have a subject change, here? why has...Paul? is it? why has Paul suddenly changed the subject? apparently? he is addressing apostates, who have crept in to the church, and are now disrupting services. they are hollering "MANSIONS!" during discourse about "nests," ok.

37If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.

if anyone here has eaten and drank at the Lord's table, and claims to be a shepherd or a higher-up in the kingdom, claims to be worthy of a double-helping, let them acknowledge that what i am telling you is from God.

38But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.h

take heed.

39Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy,

i suspect Paul is saying here be eager to elevate your breath to the higher things, breathing creation and quickening to works unto rebound, and other things that produce tasty fruit, whatever they may be

(since that first thing should only take about...oh, 3 days, say. it is not a difficult concept. kids get it right away. older kids resist it, in a phase. adults have to re-learn it. 3 days)

"We will build a comfy spa here at this hot spring, for everyone to use in the winter!" whatever it may be, rather than re-laying the foundation, over and over and over and over and over and over again.

... and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

has the subject changed again? from "women, shut up," to where did they get their Word, to, now, a discussion of tongues? all in the same little passage? with some prophecy thrown in, too? No. it is all the same subject; an address to non-apostates, a command for how to handle apostates, and some reflection on the signs of an apostate church, that would forbid speaking in tongues, even when it does not disrupt, say, in a forum, where you could "ignore," or scroll by, etc.

But no, tongues is forbidden here. i kept the...well, never mind that part, but i am now characterized as being disruptive, me, who has found Word, and nests, and speak in tongues. So to speak, understand that i am just trying to provide a reflection. by all means, seek your own. i am not here to make you, or force you, to believe what i believe, as ____ seems to think is somehow possible, which it is not.

40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

yes, we should also have world peace, too. we will get there, because it is God's will. seek it, and you will find it. a promise, then.