Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes.

My father was an atheist. I loved and respected him greatly. Yet, even prior to my entering into Apostolic movement, I couldn't believe some of his opinions. Opinions which he felt were absolute fact. He was a genius in his ability to build, repair, and construct anything. He was a master plumber, but his expertise covered a lot more. His wisdom on life and where our culture was heading was unparalleled. He was a prepper before preppers were cool. But with all my love and respect, I knew that some of his beliefs on certain subjects were incorrect, false, absolutely fabricated because they were based on hear say. We never got engaged in argument, or heated debate. He was a old skool Sicilian American male, and for a son to dare challenge their father in such a way disrespectfully would of meant stoning.

Yet, we had our long lengthy discussions, and I ate the fish and spit out all the bones. Those bones were sucked clean.

He has passed, and I miss him.

I miss his wit, wisdom, and his passion for construction.

But he wasn't always right, and made some big blunders.

But, his credibility with me endured, because I learned to see what was good in his words, and leave the bad behind.

E.B. i respect what your saying greatly. But your Dad wasnt a preacher. What Stoneking and any other preacher does that circulates non sense is different. I've speculated on hearsay in my life true enough, and I'm guilty. But at the same time the Bible says people are saved by the foolishness of preaching, and it doesn't say they are saved by foolish preaching.

This really isn't about Stoneking as much as it is about just the behavior. Because there is no greater position in this world, then to preach the Word of God. And to be that careless with the facts, over and over for years upon decades; when as you said there is a whole Bible of stuff to preach on, is basically taking the office of Evangelist and treating it as a lawyer.

I understand what your saying about eating the meat and spitting out the bones, but where is the line? Take Stoneking out of the equation for a second, this is asked in general.

And Will toward the Statement about "people making God's out of men that we watch crumble before our eyes." I hope no one in their life exalted Stoneking to that level. I sure didnt, did anyone else?

It's funny you say that because I was listening to a Evangelist who had done that though. Even said he received the Holy Ghost through Stonekings ministry. This was a audio recording btw. And what I noticed is that he when he prayed for people was telling people to just pray the words that we're on their lips out loud. The reason I was troubled by that, is thats how the charismatics told me when I didn't know any better. This same evangelist said Stoneking told him the same thing, when he received it. But that's not how it works, the Spirit gives the utterance. The only reason I bring that up, is I was entrenched in false doctrine for years because of that same error. So when it comes to things like that, it is something I take personally. Because I don't want anyone to have to go through what I did.

Many people think they don't need the Holy Ghost, or that they have the Holy Ghost but the book of Acts will show them they are missing the experience. I thought I had it and had a false experience, and if I didn't get around people who had the genuine article who were brutally honest with me, I wouldce never known better. I would have died and gone into a fiery abyss.

I only share this because this is how those untruthful teachings and practices can build, and can cause people to be lost. I wasn't by God's grace, but how many have been, and how many will be?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

E.B. i respect what your saying greatly. But your Dad wasnt a preacher. What Stoneking and any other preacher does that circulates non sense is different. I've speculated on hearsay in my life true enough, and I'm guilty. But at the same time the Bible says people are saved by the foolishness of preaching, and it doesn't say they are saved by foolish preaching.

This really isn't about Stoneking as much as it is about just the behavior. Because there is no greater position in this world, then to preach the Word of God. And to be that careless with the facts, over and over for years upon decades; when as you said there is a whole Bible of stuff to preach on, is basically taking the office of Evangelist and treating it as a lawyer.

I understand what your saying about eating the meat and spitting out the bones, but where is the line? Take Stoneking out of the equation for a second, this is asked in general.

And Will toward the Statement about "people making God's out of men that we watch crumble before our eyes." I hope no one in their life exalted Stoneking to that level. I sure didnt, did anyone else.

It's funny you say that because I was listening to a Evangelist who had done that though. Even said he received the Holy Ghost through Stonekings ministry. This was a audio recording btw. And what I noticed is that he when he prayed for people was telling people to just pray the words that we're on their lips out loud. The reason I was troubled by that, is thats how the charismatics told me when I didn't know any better. But that's not how it works, the Spirit gives the utterance. The only reason I bring that up, is I was entrenched in false doctrine for years because of that same error. So when it comes to things like that, it is something I take personally. Because I don't want anyone to have to go through what I did.

Many people think they don't need the Holy Ghost, or that they have the Holy Ghost but the book of Acts will show them they are missing the experience. I thought I had it and had a false experience, and if I didn't get around people who had the genuine article who were brutally honest with me, I wouldce never known better. I would have died and gone into a fiery abyss.

I only share this because this is how those untruthful teachings and practices can build, and can cause people to be lost. I wasn't by God's grace, but how many have been, and how many will be?

Not wanting a literal answer out loud.



Just asking a question to provoke thought.


Are you asking your question as a minister who claims infallibility in every message you have preached with no possibility of ever missing it or being wrong?


Or


Are you someone who has missed it and has failed but believes that perfection is the only thing acceptable so that is what you strive for?


If you have missed it at times in your ministry, who called you out on it? Was it from a outside source or something only you knew?


Did you admit fault or maintain the image of always being right?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes.

My father was an atheist. I loved and respected him greatly. Yet, even prior to my entering into Apostolic movement, I couldn't believe some of his opinions. Opinions which he felt were absolute fact. He was a genius in his ability to build, repair, and construct anything. He was a master plumber, but his expertise covered a lot more. His wisdom on life and where our culture was heading was unparalleled. He was a prepper before preppers were cool. But with all my love and respect, I knew that some of his beliefs on certain subjects were incorrect, false, absolutely fabricated because they were based on hear say. We never got engaged in argument, or heated debate. He was a old skool Sicilian American male, and for a son to dare challenge their father in such a way disrespectfully would of meant stoning.

Yet, we had our long lengthy discussions, and I ate the fish and spit out all the bones. Those bones were sucked clean.

He has passed, and I miss him.

I miss his wit, wisdom, and his passion for construction.

But he wasn't always right, and made some big blunders.

But, his credibility with me endured, because I learned to see what was good in his words, and leave the bad behind.

A great post EB. A good roadmap for anybody reading who is in a similar situation with a living parent. You can still respect and learn from someone close to you who can be terribly wrong on some important things.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Not wanting a literal answer out loud.



Just asking a question to provoke thought.


Are you asking your question as a minister who claims infallibility in every message you have preached with no possibility of ever missing it or being wrong?


Or


Are you someone who has missed it and has failed but believes that perfection is the only thing acceptable so that is what you strive for?


If you have missed it at times in your ministry, who called you out on it? Was it from a outside source or something only you knew?


Did you admit fault or maintain the image of always being right?

None of the above. That's not even close to what I'm even talking about. It has nothing to do with being right 100% of the time, but everything to do with when do you pass over the line from being mistaken and misinformed, to being untruthful?

When does this line get crossed? Romans 1:18-19 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Or is it ok to be untruthful, "to spark "faith" in people"?

Because if you keep going on in the same chapter it warns about those who just approve of these who do these things. It says in fact that person is just as guilty as the person who is doing it.

[Scott Pitta]

Being wrong is part of life.

Everyone is capable of confessing they were wrong. Every teacher can confess their data was inaccurate.

Humility and confession when facts are wrong nurture integrity.

A consistent habit of telling stories that are not true is noteworthy.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Not wanting a literal answer out loud.



Just asking a question to provoke thought.


Are you asking your question as a minister who claims infallibility in every message you have preached with no possibility of ever missing it or being wrong?


Or


Are you someone who has missed it and has failed but believes that perfection is the only thing acceptable so that is what you strive for?


If you have missed it at times in your ministry, who called you out on it? Was it from a outside source or something only you knew?


Did you admit fault or maintain the image of always being right?

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Being wrong is part of life.

Everyone is capable of confessing they were wrong. Every teacher can confess their data was inaccurate.

Humility and confession when facts are wrong nurture integrity.

A consistent habit of telling stories that are not true is noteworthy.

I agree we all wrong at times. Only a fool would say they weren't. But there's a difference in between being misinformed and sheer untruthfulness. That's all I'm talking about. Truthfully most the things where he is in error is not on Theology or doctrine, but in the stories he tells. He takes the term "evangelisticly speaking" to the next level. I don't believe thats ok, because at this point he has to be aware of it. It has become a concious decision.

[Scott Pitta]

False stories create confusion and discount the value of public addresses. If the last guy who preached did not tell the truth, why should we believe todays speaker ?

Accountability nurtures trust. The lack thereof nurtures distrust.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Being wrong is part of life.

Everyone is capable of confessing they were wrong. Every teacher can confess their data was inaccurate.

Humility and confession when facts are wrong nurture integrity.

A consistent habit of telling stories that are not true is noteworthy.

This is a good post.

I do believe that preachers are often careless about saying that the Lord told them this or that. I have a healthy skepticism (maybe it’s just me) of preachers who do this. Now if they say that they believe the Lord impressed upon them this thing or that thought, I can respect that.

When a preacher says that he speaks for God, it should be understood that he is professing to be a prophet. The Bible gives instruction on how to regard a prophet that speaks for God.

Deuteronomy 18

[20] But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
[21] And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
[22] When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

I believe that if we disregard the clear instruction of God concerning false prophets, we do so in error and at great risk. We are warned many times of false prophets. We are given instructions on how to deal with them. If we choose to ignore the warnings and the instructions found in the Bible, we are at risk of being the blind that follow the blind. We shouldn’t be shocked when we become mired in the same ditch that they are found to be in.

I have decided for myself, that whenever someone prophesies and it doesn’t come to pass as they have said it would, to mark that person and disregard what they have to say. I think it is scriptural to do so.

In my opinion, Lee Stoneking is such a person. He has little credibility with me. I don’t support him with my presence or my finances.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

In my opinion, Lee Stoneking is such a person. He has little credibility with me. I don’t support him with my presence or my finances.

I can guarantee you will not be missed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

False stories create confusion and discount the value of public addresses. If the last guy who preached did not tell the truth, why should we believe todays speaker ?

Accountability nurtures trust. The lack thereof nurtures distrust.

Scott, I guess you never hear anyone relay something that turned out incorrect? How many times did they climb up in that pulpit and tell the group that they were mistaken? Don't get me wrong, that is wonderful if they do, but Scott, how many times have you heard a revision? How many preachers in "Pentecost" going back to Harry Morse got things wrong and never made a statement or correction?