Hair, sleeves, pantsuits, jewelry, and makeup

[diakonos]

Elvis Presley sideburns? ROFLOL! Haven’t been a thing in YEARS!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother EB the Bible speaks against tattooing your body if I understand correctly. So what do you do with new converts that have full sleeve tattoos?

I believe they are a new creature of in Christ. I don’t believe they should go get more tattoos but I don’t believe they should be condemned for the ones they already have. It is not like they are going to wash away in the baptismal tank.

What do you think?

Leviticus is primarily speaking of the cutting of the flesh in worship.
1 Kings 18:28, Jeremiah 16:6, Jeremiah 41:5, Jeremiah 47:5, Jeremiah 48:37 shows that the Gentiles would mark themselves with ritual cuttings. The marks which they would eventually end up with wasn't Asian Tattoos which we have today. But scarification which was produced in mourning or worship of their false gods. Tattoos, I have full sleeves from shoulders to wrists. Would I get any more, no, do I have book chapter and verse for my convictions, kinda, but Leviticus isn't one. As my dear brother Esaias pointed out, that some have a bit of a selective buffet style approach to the law and the old testament. Which make the critical observer raise an eyebrow. You posted that Bible speaks against tattooing your body if you understood the verse correctly? There you have it, a Christianity of mere opinion. The neophyte who is a critical thinker, observer, and all around questioner. Hears that, and says "what do you mean "if" you understand correctly?" I remember one joker who looked over at a brother, and said "what? is this your first day on the job?" They are the neophytes, they come seeking milk and eventually eating honey. Yet, we who have been at the job since 1974 have just our candy sticks which we are well versed in. Any other subject we end up saying "I know it is in there somewhere" Wow, well, tell you what, when you find it, give me a call.
Most of my time in church I have met people who got total revelation on what we call standards. Most movements around the globe got their standards by gravitating towards ultra modesty. It is those people are just safer when they are around more conservative types. But if they have the misfortune of being with the strippers for Jesus liberals, they will get their heads chopped off. The minute they said that JESUS told them to wear a long dress, that JESUS told them to not wear makeup, that JESUS told them to get off the internet or throw away the television. The liberal libertarian cries out "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!"

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Where? The law? Buried somewhere in the old testament? Something Moses said?

Was it literal?

Yes

Yes

No

Yes

Yes

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Yes

Yes

No

Yes

Yes

This is Theology in the 21st century.

Sometimes I feel like John from Brave New World

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Leviticus is primarily speaking of the cutting of the flesh in worship.
1 Kings 18:28, Jeremiah 16:6, Jeremiah 41:5, Jeremiah 47:5, Jeremiah 48:37 shows that the Gentiles would mark themselves with ritual cuttings. The marks which they would eventually end up with wasn't Asian Tattoos which we have today. But scarification which was produced in mourning or worship of their false gods. Tattoos, I have full sleeves from shoulders to wrists. Would I get any more, no, do I have book chapter and verse for my convictions, kinda, but Leviticus isn't one. As my dear brother Esaias pointed out, that some have a bit of a selective buffet style approach to the law and the old testament. Which make the critical observer raise an eyebrow. You posted that Bible speaks against tattooing your body if you understood the verse correctly? There you have it, a Christianity of mere opinion. The neophyte who is a critical thinker, observer, and all around questioner. Hears that, and says "what do you mean "if" you understand correctly?" I remember one joker who looked over at a brother, and said "what? is this your first day on the job?" They are the neophytes, they come seeking milk and eventually eating honey. Yet, we who have been at the job since 1974 have just our candy sticks which we are well versed in. Any other subject we end up saying "I know it is in there somewhere" Wow, well, tell you what, when you find it, give me a call.
Most of my time in church I have met people who got total revelation on what we call standards. Most movements around the globe got their standards by gravitating towards ultra modesty. It is those people are just safer when they are around more conservative types. But if they have the misfortune of being with the strippers for Jesus liberals, they will get their heads chopped off. The minute they said that JESUS told them to wear a long dress, that JESUS told them to not wear makeup, that JESUS told them to get off the internet or throw away the television. The liberal libertarian cries out "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!"

You might should work on your reading comprehension. There is a difference in cutting and printing.

Lev.19

[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

You see, it really is not primarily about cutting. It is about both printing and cutting. Did you cut yourself to get your full sleeve tattoos? Or was there ink involved?

One thing about it though, it sounds like you have sleeves all the way to the wrists at all times.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Yes

Yes

No

Yes

Yes

Yes is an answer to "where"?

Moses didn't say it? Did he at least write it? I'm assuming the first "yes" was a misprint for a book, chapter, verse citation.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You might should work on your reading comprehension. There is a difference in cutting and printing.

Lev.19

[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

You see, it really is not primarily about cutting. It is about both printing and cutting. Did you cut yourself to get your full sleeve tattoos? Or was there ink involved?

One thing about it though, it sounds like you have sleeves all the way to the wrists at all times.

So is the stipulation "for the dead"?



Is the "printing" tied into that prohibition because of that problem?


From what I understood from my research it was an act done to curry favor with a deity...sorta like in mourning over a death you would cut and tattoo things on yourself in a way that would bring favor from those particular deities upon the deceased.


It seems to be law addressing particular practices from surrounding pagan culture.


Oh and Dom, all kinds of shades of peeps that call themselves Libertarian that arent.


If you are ministering to those types of people might I suggest to couch your responses in a way that evokes a bit of Christian Anarchy *think no king but Jesus* That thinking is a branch of the Liberation party albeit a small faction.


I have some excellent podcasts that would probably help...and these arent "anything goes" kinda podcasts either.


If they are a true Libertarian, they will want anything they see as a chain or shackle to be broken.


The thing is...there is so much pushback and resistance against what they see as govenment overreaching and the coercive power of the state that they may just see what you are saying as an attempt to enslave them further.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You might should work on your reading comprehension. There is a difference in cutting and printing.

My reading comprehension? Oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't know you were a Hebrew scholar or historian on Middle Eastern paganism. Also excuse me if I failed to notice your expertease in Alexandrian Greek. It must be pretty humorous to be in church with a ecclesiastical genius like you. Who waves his NIV above his head anytime the preacher is preaching. But, AGAIN, Leviticus 19:28 isn't dealing with ASIAN tattooing. It is dealing with the marring marks made by another form of tattooing unknown to people like you.
SCARIFICATION!!!!! I may or may not know more about the history of tattooing than anyone on this forum. But I DO know more than YOU! I had Leviticus thrown at me from the first time I got my first tattoo at the age of 13. So forgive me Tithedisaster if I point out your utter lack reading comprehension. Good God from Zion! The prohibition was against religious practices of worship and mourning. the "marks" were left by the CUTS which were made by KNIVES. Not by bones sharpened to needles to push pigments under the skin.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Lev.19

[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Is that what the Hebrew word "nawthan" means? "print?" Really? It's definition means to GIVE. Therefore with some reading COMPREHENSION you would understand that in context of the rest of the sentence. Would mean the CUTS made with KNIVES leave MARKS which are created by SCARS. Hey stick to starving out preachers, I can see that on anything but tithing subject you are feeble.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You see, it really is not primarily about cutting.

Why because your interpretation is solely based on the English language and what you personally know about those tattooed around you? Hence you make your decisions for all of us, and anyone else in your path determined on those factors?

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It is about both printing and cutting.

NO, it is about cutting and giving. If you read it in Hebrew, in Greek it just means instantaneous markings which obviously are created by SLASHING yourself with a knife.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Did you cut yourself to get your full sleeve tattoos? Or was there ink involved?

Arrogance can be tolerated at times when the person is right. Arrogance combined with ignorance gets you Proverbs 18:6.

You are wrong again. My tattoos were created with needles in an electric gun. Also some made with a guitar string in a BIC pen body, powered by a Sony Walkman. The needles inject, literally PUSH the pigments under the skin.

NOT cutting and slashing one self in religious worship, or mourning.

To say that Asian tattooing or Indigenous South Pacific tattooing is the same as what is found in Leviticus 19:28, 1 Kings 18:28, Jeremiah 16:6, Jeremiah 41:5, Jeremiah 47:5, Jeremiah 48:37. Saying that Leviticus 28:19 has anything to do with tattooing is like saying Jeremiah 7:29 has something to do with going to the barber.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

One thing about it though, it sounds like you have sleeves all the way to the wrists at all times.

Here we go, you aren't into this for any sort of truth to be found. You just want to win a fight. The above was already answered by YOU. But that was when you didn't think you were losing an argument. I also answered the above, but maybe you were so tacked off to be challenged that your "reading comprehension was skewed that you didn't notice my answer. Buddy boy, your nick says it all.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My reading comprehension? Oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't know you were a Hebrew scholar or historian on Middle Eastern paganism. Also excuse me if I failed to notice your expertease in Alexandrian Greek. It must be pretty humorous to be in church with a ecclesiastical genius like you. Who waves his NIV above his head anytime the preacher is preaching. But, AGAIN, Leviticus 19:28 isn't dealing with ASIAN tattooing. It is dealing with the marring marks made by another form of tattooing unknown to people like you.
SCARIFICATION!!!!! I may or may not know more about the history of tattooing than anyone on this forum. But I DO know more than YOU! I had Leviticus thrown at me from the first time I got my first tattoo at the age of 13. So forgive me Tithedisaster if I point out your utter lack reading comprehension. Good God from Zion! The prohibition was against religious practices of worship and mourning. the "marks" were left by the CUTS which were made by KNIVES. Not by bones sharpened to needles to push pigments under the skin.




Is that what the Hebrew word "nawthan" means? "print?" Really? It's definition means to GIVE. Therefore with some reading COMPREHENSION you would understand that in context of the rest of the sentence. Would mean the CUTS made with KNIVES leave MARKS which are created by SCARS. Hey stick to starving out preachers, I can see that on anything but tithing subject you are feeble.




Why because your interpretation is solely based on the English language and what you personally know about those tattooed around you? Hence you make your decisions for all of us, and anyone else in your path determined on those factors?



NO, it is about cutting and giving. If you read it in Hebrew, in Greek it just means instantaneous markings which obviously are created by SLASHING yourself with a knife.




Arrogance can be tolerated at times when the person is right. Arrogance combined with ignorance gets you Proverbs 18:6.

You are wrong again. My tattoos were created with needles in an electric gun. Also some made with a guitar string in a BIC pen body, powered by a Sony Walkman. The needles inject, literally PUSH the pigments under the skin.

NOT cutting and slashing one self in religious worship, or mourning.

To say that Asian tattooing or Indigenous South Pacific tattooing is the same as what is found in Leviticus 19:28, 1 Kings 18:28, Jeremiah 16:6, Jeremiah 41:5, Jeremiah 47:5, Jeremiah 48:37. Saying that Leviticus 28:19 has anything to do with tattooing is like saying Jeremiah 7:29 has something to do with going to the barber.



Here we go, you aren't into this for any sort of truth to be found. You just want to win a fight. The above was already answered by YOU. But that was when you didn't think you were losing an argument. I also answered the above, but maybe you were so tacked off to be challenged that your "reading comprehension was skewed that you didn't notice my answer. Buddy boy, your nick says it all.

I really don’t mind admitting you know more about tattoos than I do.

Really I don’t.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Elvis Presley sideburns? ROFLOL! Haven’t been a thing in YEARS!

Good thing they didnt demonize bald heads due to Telly Sevalas...Id be up a creek.