Is Acts 2:38 your god?

Originally Posted by RevDWW

My friend Ronzo, there comes a time in every persons life that we must find out for ourselves. Those that teach error will be held accountable, but those that choose not to seek out their own salvation, WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING, will also be held accountable.

I agree... but we don't have to quake with fear... we have assurance, if we follow Him.

The fear and trembling spoken of in that verse points to reverance and love for God. Not hiding under a rock in fear like the Israelites did when Moses presented them to God at Sinai.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I thought these words are no-nos here...I used it and was spanked.

I guess the admins can and get away with it?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I thought these words are no-nos here...I used it and was spanked.

I did not state that JA was stupid or ignorant, but that his statements were. Big difference. I dealt with the statement, and not the man that made the statement.

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In a captivating message at the 2007 BOTT, Jeff Arnold, a solid PAJCer, and a favorite preacher of mine, remarked that many within the movement have not moved beyond Acts 2:38 and Knowing the book.

He went as far to exhort the listeners that many in the movement don't really KNOW GOD.

One interesting quote from the message and I paraphrase is .....

"You are married to doctrine and have divorced youself from Deity."

What say ye of this message? I will post audio of the message later.

Have some made Acts 2:38 and standards THE MESSAGE ... while Jesus is sitting on the outside looking in????


Just asking a question ....

Hummm... kinda funny how you just threw that in there. I have only read the first post - so this may have already been discussed, but I just wonder is it standards you are after, or the message of salvation? hummmmm

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Do you agree w/ this PP???

How do you reconcile this with Hebrews 6, Matt and Elder???

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3And this will we do, if God permit.

9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

I do not believe God is itching to throw us all in Hell. Quite the contrary.
We are told He is "not willing that any should perish". The danger lies in thinking that God is absent of either His Mercy or Judgement.

I will be politically correct, and completely honest, in saying that I do not believe Matt is at odds with Hebrews 6.

I attempted to engage a dialogue concerning this very subject last night.
My reference was the letters from Christ to the seven churches in Asia Minor.

Some churches were deeply involved in sinful activity, yet given space to repent before the light was put out in them. God repeatedly expressed His displeasure with their sin, but extended a space to repent.

Think about it.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Do you agree w/ this PP???

How do you reconcile this with Hebrews 6, Matt and Elder???

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3And this will we do, if God permit.

9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

So do you think that you leave doctrine to go on into perfection??

I am all for going on into perfection, but I really do not think Paul was meaning that we abandon Doctrine in order to do it. We build upon the foundation.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

Hummm... kinda funny how you just threw that in there. I have only read the first post - so this may have already been discussed, but I just wonder is it standards you are after, or the message of salvation? hummmmm

You caught me .. Aint ... now answer the question ....

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not state that JA was stupid or ignorant, but that his statements were. Big difference. I dealt with the statement, and not the man that made the statement.

He's got a point, J.

Next time, just say the comment someone made was stupid or ignorant.

You'll be treated much better by that person's friends, I'm sure.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Your making me afraid by putting "fear" in red.....



My Brother, appearances can be deceiving..........




Perfect Love comes with muturity and understanding. There was a time I was afraid of my Dad spanking me. That fear helped me act correctly, until I could come to understand the good and loving reasons to act appropriately. As I grew I understood what my Dad was trying to teach me and began to obey out of love and respect rather than fear.

DWW, yes we do love and respect our LORD and when we refer to the fear of the LORD we refer to reverence...and although you feared of being spanked by your dad, I am willing to bet you never thought he would kill you provided that his correction was clear demonstration of wanting better things for you...If he was a good dad, I am sure you felt secure in his love.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So do you think that you leave doctrine to go on into perfection??

I am all for going on into perfection, but I really do not think Paul was meaning that we abandon Doctrine in order to do it. We build upon the foundation.

I agree. But are some stuck on making sure everyone is on the foundation???