Growing Up Mennonite - Page 16

Hoovie · #**151** 11-03-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

I see what you are saying. The area of France that the Stuckey's came from at various times was part of France, OR Germany OR Switzerland. At the time that Pierre Stuckey came, it was part of France, but it did change hands often

All of the records that I've been able to find on Pierre and his immediate children all cite them as being Amish-Mennonite. That's the wording that I find used over and over. Which is why I was/am confused. I know that the Archbold area is very rich in Mennonite folks now and that there is not a settlement of Amish there at all. On the other hand, I also know that some of Pierre's children migrated north to the Irish Hills of Michigan - where there IS a group of Amish living. I don't know tho how long they've been settled there. So I honestly don't know. At the very least, I am completely convinced they were Mennonites. I wonder if there was even such a thing as Old Order Mennonites back in the early 1800's??? Would there have been a need for such a distinction at that time? or is OOM a new thing?

Here's an article I think you will find interesting........
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohfulton/GermanTwp2a.html

You may very well be right that they were Mennonites. To my knowledge though, the Amish in the US began in PA settlements.

That is a very interesting article Margie. You have really been digging I see. When you finish YOU will tell me the whole story!

Margies3 · #**152** 11-03-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

You may very well be right that they were Mennonites. To my knowledge though, the Amish in the US began in PA settlements.

Check out the article. If you are interested in genealogy, you'll find this interesting

Hoovie · #**153** 11-03-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Check out the article. If you are interested in genealogy, you'll find this interesting

I did and edited my last post. Good luck on your endevours.

Hoovie · #**154** 11-03-2007, 09:53 PM

I should not say they Amish began in PA, but that was there primary settling place in the US.

Margies3 · #**155** 11-03-2007, 09:59 PM

I had a discussion one time with a distant cousin who lives up by Archbold, Ohio. He is a Mennonite minister. He's done extensive research on the Stuckey family line. What he said to me was that all of the documentation lists the family who came over (in 1836) as Amish-Mennonite. But that within a couple of generations, most everyone who settled the area were being listed as Mennonite. He then researched further back (his research goes to the mid 1500's in Europe). He said that in Europe, our ancestors were clearly Amish people. He doesn't say what they were before they were Amish, only that they never seemed to be Mennonites who turned Amish. I wonder if that means that they were Lutheran or Catholic before and then broke off and became Amish??? I don't know. I'm speculating.

Anyhow, he then went on to say that according to their 'church history' (at the local level), they came over as "Amish leaning toward Mennonite" and just kept leaning.

Now if all of this is actually true facts, I don't really know. I'm just repeating what was said to me.

On the other hand, I am completely convinced that while many Amish who came over settled in the Pennsylvania area, there were also a number who settled in a few places in Ohio. I see too much evidence of that in too many sources not to believe it.

Again, tho, I could be wrong. Heaven knows, I wasn't there. hehehe

Hoovie · #**156** 11-04-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

I had a discussion one time with a distant cousin who lives up by Archbold, Ohio. He is a Mennonite minister. He's done extensive research on the Stuckey family line. What he said to me was that all of the documentation lists the family who came over (in 1836) as Amish-Mennonite. But that within a couple of generations, most everyone who settled the area were being listed as Mennonite. He then researched further back (his research goes to the mid 1500's in Europe). He said that in Europe, our ancestors were clearly Amish people. He doesn't say what they were before they were Amish, only that they never seemed to be Mennonites who turned Amish. I wonder if that means that they were Lutheran or Catholic before and then broke off and became Amish??? I don't know. I'm speculating.

Anyhow, he then went on to say that according to their 'church history' (at the local level), they came over as "Amish leaning toward Mennonite" and just kept leaning.

Now if all of this is actually true facts, I don't really know. I'm just repeating what was said to me.

On the other hand, I am completely convinced that while many Amish who came over settled in the Pennsylvania area, there were also a number who settled in a few places in Ohio. I see too much evidence of that in too many sources not to believe it.

Again, tho, I could be wrong. Heaven knows, I wasn't there. hehehe

It could also be that they did not measure up and were shunned!!!

Margies3 · #**157** 11-04-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

It could also be that they did not measure up and were shunned!!!

That really does seem like it could be the case. One of the stories that Rev. Stuckey told me about our ancestors was about a man who had come over to this country from France. He was a grown son of Pierre who was already married when he came. (Pierre was in his late 40's when he migrated). This ancestor put up a windmill after he had been here for several years in order to harness that power for his family's use. The church elders came to him to reprimand him. They told him that it was arrogant of him to think that he should have the right to harness the power that God had placed in the wind for his own personal use.

His answer to the elders was something to the effect of: "But sirs, did we not harness the power of the wind every time we raised the sails when we crossed the ocean to come to this country? Why is that different?"

I don't remember right now what the outcome of that meeting was. I'll have to dig out my records to see. Now that I've sparked my own curiosity again. LOL

ILG · #**158** 11-05-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Have you read Plain Truth by Jodi Picoult? It is not a bad fiction read.

I saw the movie. It had a VERY creepy ending!!

ILG · #**159** 11-05-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

This book is put out by Herald Press. It is a true story. I think you would enjoy it. I'm with you. I read everything Amish that I can get my hands on. I am trying to get a feel for the kind of folks my ancestors might have been, since they were Amish/Mennonite people from Alsace Loraine, France.

My mother has an interesting heritage of being Acadien. They were expelled from Nova Scotia and most ended up in Louisiana and are now known as Cajuns. My mothers ancestors hid out and escaped expulsion and changed their name from Hache to Gallant. Now the area (especially Prince Edward ISland) is full of Gallants.

Hoovie · #**160** 11-05-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

I saw the movie. It had a VERY creepy ending!!

I'm sorry, I can honestly say I had forgtten the ending! I think I do remember now... the twist... in the murder.

Guess I was not really refering to the plot it's self,
I just remember thinking as I was reading that the author put a lot of research into the book because unlike "For Richer and For Poorer" it did have alot of correct inside info on Amish thought. (aside from the actual murder)