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A friend of mine pastors a UPC church in one state, His father is a licensed minister in another state. The father told his son that he is leave the org and that if he(his son) did not that was the end of their relationship. Now, you can't tell me the father is in the right! Mark3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
These men that are "leaving" are doing more harm than good, especially if it is splitting families!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Buffy

A friend of mine pastors a UPC church in one state, His father is a licensed minister in another state. The father told his son that he is leave the org and that if he(his son) did not that was the end of their relationship. Now, you can't tell me the father is in the right! Mark3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
These men that are "leaving" are doing more harm than good, especially if it is splitting families!

Now that is just downright sad.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Buffy

A friend of mine pastors a UPC church in one state, His father is a licensed minister in another state. The father told his son that he is leave the org and that if he(his son) did not that was the end of their relationship. Now, you can't tell me the father is in the right! Mark3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
These men that are "leaving" are doing more harm than good, especially if it is splitting families!

I agree that this is exceedingly sad! However I know that this is not the attitude of any of the men who are leading the Tulsa group.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I agree that this is exceedingly sad! However I know that this is not the attitude of any of the men who are leading the Tulsa group.

But this guy might be a part of that group or will they not allow that attitude to be a part of them?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Buffy

A friend of mine pastors a UPC church in one state, His father is a licensed minister in another state. The father told his son that he is leave the org and that if he(his son) did not that was the end of their relationship. Now, you can't tell me the father is in the right! Mark3:25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
These men that are "leaving" are doing more harm than good, especially if it is splitting families!

Buffy,


90% percent of the posters here will think you are making this up (been there many times). count me in the 10% that believes you.
we've witessed churches being publically disfellowshipped and the members told not to even greet the members from the neighboring church. thing is , they were BOTH UPC.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Thad

Buffy,


90% percent of the posters here will think you are making this up (been there many times). count me in the 10% that believes you.
we've witessed churches being publically disfellowshipped and the members told not to even greet the members from the neighboring church. thing is , they were BOTH UPC.

Thad, it's a small percentage that doesn't believe that's happening. The large percent knows it is.

I believe it's very hard for those that love this org to realize that there are people out there that will do just as Buffy's example shows. It's not the majority that feel this way, but there are many out there that do and it's silly to keep saying over and over that there aren't out there.

We can only speak for what we know. If we are only around people that don't feel that way, then it's easy to say no one feels differently.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Thad, it's a small percentage that doesn't believe that's happening. The large percent knows it is.

I believe it's very hard for those that love this org to realize that there are people out there that will do just as Buffy's example shows. It's not the majority that feel this way, but there are many out there that do and it's silly to keep saying over and over that there aren't out there.

We can only speak for what we know. If we are only around people that don't feel that way, then it's easy to say no one feels differently.

Renda, I remember 4 or 5 years ago trying to tell folks what was coming. we who lived here saw this coming long ago- most laughed and thought it was silly.

some of the preachers who are apart of this whole split are still telling folks that things that are circling around are ALL rumors and even up until recently, denied they were even leaving. some that said they were not leaving HAVE LEFT!!!
There have been talks of splitting off for 10 years. when asked about it, it was " I don't know what you are talking about"....... well, what do we see now???
I think that some are playing their cards.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Thad

Renda, I remember 4 or 5 years ago trying to tell folks what was coming. we who lived here saw this coming long ago- most laughed and thought it was silly.

some of the preachers who are apart of this whole split are still telling folks that things that are circling around are ALL rumors and even up until recently, denied they were even leaving. some that said they were not leaving HAVE LEFT!!!
There have been talks of splitting off for 10 years. when asked about it, it was " I don't know what you are talking about"....... well, what do we see now???
I think that some are playing their cards.

And I believe some of it is motivated by power - nothing more.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Thad

Buffy,


90% percent of the posters here will think you are making this up (been there many times). count me in the 10% that believes you.
we've witessed churches being publically disfellowshipped and the members told not to even greet the members from the neighboring church. thing is , they were BOTH UPC.

Or churches that tell their congregations that the neighboring church, (in the same town, members of the same organization) were not preaching "truth". Because they disagreed with their stance on non-doctrinal issues.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Or churches that tell their congregations that the neighboring church, (in the same town, members of the same organization) were not preaching "truth". Because they disagreed with their stance on non-doctrinal issues.

Dizzy, there's a pastor in your city that told his congregants that he is the only one preaching "TRUTH" within a 50 mile radius.

That means that your church and at least 50 other churches are not preaching "TRUTH". only HE is preaching " TRUTH"