Am I being asked to leave?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rico

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.

Rico it is the nature of the beast.Those that hold more things as essential which would put them in a more conservative camp are automtically not going to accept anything less. Thus less is liberal. It depends on where the line is drawn really whether you are conservative or liberal. Pretty relative to who is talking.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Theresa

its not an organized conspiracy Mark, it's just how some are...and they make me want to vomit.

I dont sit back and critize them for their beliefs or their liberation from the big bad conservative apostolic movement, nor do I have any respect for their veiled and not so veiled jabs at anything conservative.

To each his own I say.....people will answer to God for their choices, not me. I just have no respect for those that constantly poke fun and ridicule those with more conservative beliefs than they...

If they are correct in their "liberal" thinking, how can conservatives be wrong for being more conservative than they?

I have a lot more respect for folks like Renda, Pianoman, CC1, Sherri and others who are not still "UPC" but they respect where they came from and dont constantly crucify those who choose a more conservative life....or choose to stay UPC in spite of its faults.

But thinking its a big conspiracy or some large scale agenda? I dont think so, I think it's one or two bitter folks trying to make themselves feel better

Theresa, why don't you post anymore on AFF??? You wait until
a thread like this, why ??

Here are the 3 reasons I believe that Conservatives have or
are leaving AFF. let me know what you think



1.They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming
Liberal/Charismatic
2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people
that mock Pentecostals
3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church

[StMark]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You're dramatizing the situation...

Nobody "tears down the UPC" like the so-called "cons" around here.

And consider - they've been successfully on the attack ever since 1945. Their agenda has always been placated, even when it was the minority view. The PCI/"One Steppers" always given place out of a desire for unity.

This just emboldens the "cons" to be even more snarky. Who splits off from the UPC and solicits others to join them (AMF, WPF) - it's the "cons." Who has ramrodded resolutions through the General Conferences to drive the "liberals" out of the UPC - it's the "cons."

And who walks around all hang dog when you stand up to them and their bullying? It's the "cons."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive for the behavior ploy that's being used against you here by the "cons."

HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by Rico

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.

I really dont think its accurate to lump all the liberals on this board together, just as it's not fair to lump every conservative with not only the other cons on this board but those outside this format who are more vocal with their feeings on issuses...you know, those that took their toys and went elsewhere.

Its all relative to who's doing the talking, not so much the cons and liberals as two groups.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by StMark

HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.

Mark, it's like spitting in the wind

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Did you mean "cons," c in east texas?

No. I meant what I said. It is all about perspective.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Theresa

its not an organized conspiracy Mark, it's just how some are...and they make me want to vomit.

I dont sit back and critize them for their beliefs or their liberation from the big bad conservative apostolic movement, nor do I have any respect for their veiled and not so veiled jabs at anything conservative.

To each his own I say.....people will answer to God for their choices, not me. I just have no respect for those that constantly poke fun and ridicule those with more conservative beliefs than they...

If they are correct in their "liberal" thinking, how can conservatives be wrong for being more conservative than they?

I have a lot more respect for folks like Renda, Pianoman, CC1, Sherri and others who are not still "UPC" but they respect where they came from and dont constantly crucify those who choose a more conservative life....or choose to stay UPC in spite of its faults.

But thinking its a big conspiracy or some large scale agenda? I dont think so, I think it's one or two bitter folks trying to make themselves feel better

Thank you sister.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by StMark

1.They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming Liberal/Charismatic

"Charismatic" was a buzz-word used as a boogy-man. It was a rallying cry and insult that was bandied about to smear people who weren't the least bit "Charismatic." When these "UC's" make this complaint they are making the same complaint that they did about good men and great preachers in the past.

Originally Posted by StMark

2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people that mock Pentecostals

I think you hit the nail on the head here. In many cases it is advisable for a person who aspires to work in a public position like the ministry to limit the amount of things that they have published under their name. It's too easy for someone to come along and "quote mine" for damaging statements and build all sorts of insuations from that.

Originally Posted by StMark

3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church

If they honestly feel that way, then they should get involved in the discussion. From the way things stand, it seems that the arguments of the "UC's" and "cons" just don't hold any water.

Just today they've been arguing that pants don't "pertain to a man" unless they reach his ankles. So, do they pertain to a woman then?

Originally Posted by StMark

HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.

I should have put a smiley there - I was just ribbing you. Sorry.

[Bro-Larry]

Please don't leave, Brother Epley.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Rico it is the nature of the beast.Those that hold more things as essential which would put them in a more conservative camp are automtically not going to accept anything less. Thus less is liberal. It depends on where the line is drawn really whether you are conservative or liberal. Pretty relative to who is talking.

Luke, it's still a choice on the part of the "You are going to Hell" crowd to resort to those tactics. What's so troublesome about it is some have gone so far as to say people don't have the Holy Ghost for not seeing things the same way. Taking things to that level is wrong, period.




BTW, I agree with Theresa, in that I believe there are some people here whose sole intent is to completely dismantle the church. I've seen it, felt it in my spirit, and spoken out against it. But I don't believe that this is what the majority of the liberal folks around here are aiming for.