TRANSCRIPT Of Message By HANEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

I have no problem with fellowship or having coffee, getting to know one another better, etc I think that is very healthy & neccessary for a church.

I just don't want it to take the place of prayer or church. everything in its proper place.

On this point, we are totally agreed.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Scottay, you are being difficult.......lol!

No one is saying coffee is the reason you go to church.

I know I am Ms Renda and I'm sorry cause I don't mean to be , I never was very good at getting across what I'm feeling....

[Praxeas]

What is a church? I think there is something terribly wrong when one church can build a nicer building, add a coffee bar and take saints from other churches to make their congregation bigger...But I am fine with their being a coffee bar in a church building for the saints to fellowship etc etc.

The UPC in Moorpark rents an AOG and they have their own coffee bar. They let us use it at the end of a sectional meeting

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I agree!

I strongly disagree.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by StMark

WHY would they call Haney to speak to them If what they are teaching was working for them????

WHY would they call on the UPC whom they have called Heritical for the pasto 100 years if we were wrong????


What's better, to teach that the Holy ghost is essential or not teach it and end up with only 20% of your people receiving it? such is the way the AoG has turned out.

You know, the Charismatics would just emphasize seeking the infilling of the Holy Ghost, more of their churches would have more folks filled with the Holy Ghost.

An example: the COGIC.

I don't know if they were there or not, but if they were there, they would have something to say about this.

[Sherri]

We don't teach that you have to receive the Holy Ghost to go to heaven, but most of our people have been filled with it. We teach that it's the power of God to live an overcoming life and people want it! We don't say it's just an "option" but that it's a part of God's plan for your life. We've probably had over 50 receive it this year; I'd have to go back and look at the files. There is a middle ground!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I strongly disagree.

Well, I can't fuss with ya because I forgot what I agreed with!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, I can't fuss with ya because I forgot what I agreed with!

lol

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

That's a good question to consider...

If they're just as saved and just as Pentecostal as we are, why arent they "receiving the promise" just as much as we are?

From my experience, many Charismatic churches lack the order (freedom) in their services that allows for God to move in that way.

OFTEN, it takes faith and patience to seek the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

It is NOT BIBLICAL to teach that God gives it to folks as soon as they believe. One can do everything right and still have to wait because GOD is SOVEREIGN.


Their (Charismatics) sermons are often too trite and folks are in too much of a hurry to wait on God.

They don't pray deeply or even allow for deep heart-wrenching prayer before their services. Midweek Bible study has been replaced by comfortable and heavily scripted home group meetings.

Friday night prayer service for singles have been replaced by fellowship night at the Verizon Center.

Fast???? What????


One can emphasize the Holy Ghost Baptism without legislating it. This is where I and the UPCI must part ways and I have, but I sure do miss them.


At the end of their (UPCI) services, the person who WANTS to seek the Lord at the altar is not only welcome to do so, but they're encouraged to do so. They're encouraged to bring their families to come and seek the face of God.

Their encouraged to bring their friend to seek the face of God.

I don't agree with the condemnation that some preachers use as a way to bring folks to the altar. Sometimes it just seemed like the preacher's self worth was wrapped up in bringing folks to the altar-- so they become spiritually manipulative (although there is nothing spiritual about this method.)




The UPCI very rarely has their services presented like a fast-food chain chain combo. I have visited so many Charismatic churches that do just that.


The Charismatics need to learn the art of "fine dining" in the Presence of the King of Kings. Then their adherents would receive the staying power of the Holy Ghost in greater numbers.

All of this is my opinion, based off of what I have seen, heard and experienced.

[Sherri]

Hey, Mike, who's in the avatar? Is one of them you?