My Take On Illegal Immigration

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

right...I never said it wasn't, I said wasn't that for slaves? Hello? Maybe you should practice reading consistant. I never argued it was not against the law NOR did I propose getting rid of it as a law.

See what getting emotional does to you Dan? Drop the hysterics and have a logical mature dialog

You're as hysterical as I am Praxeas ... and too blind to see it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

During the height of the golden age of immigration people came here primarily from Ellis and Angel Island but were flooding in from our borders also... the only requirement was to be healthy .... let's not act like we've done this according to protocol .... our very Congress passed quota laws during this era against Chinese immigrants just because they were Chinese ....

But again it's possible to regulate that and see that equal numbers of immigrants come from other nations. Not so with illegal immigration.

We have a problem ... that is decades old ... it's not Bush's fault, Clinton's fault .... etc .... We as a nation failed .... but it makes you wonder why???

We have benifited off the backs of cheap illegal aliens ... all of us ...

Most of the posters here have benefited either directly or indirectly from their cheap services ... ranging from cheap landscaping to construction ....

We are all to blame ...

Now we have a dilemma ... we must secure our borders ... and at the same time legalize those that are here .... are deport them ....

We as a nation have decided that a mass deportation is not what we want ... even though there are marginal voices that would love to see this... since THEY FEAR A TAKEOVER ... OR INVASION ....

We will as a nation deal w/ this responsibly and humanely ... there will be no free and unconditional amnesty ... but there will be a compromised reached ... there will be strictures in place ... it can be legislated so that it applies to certain types of people ... we did this in the 80's .... and it can be improved upon

and God willing our both of our borders will be protected the way they should've been decades ago ...

Lastly, it is presumptuous and insulting for those that insist that once legalized an entire hard-working and industrious workforce would stop ... to get on a bread line or seek a handout.

And that addresses ANYTHING I said how?

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Dan, I'm suprised at you. While I agree with you on some points, this issue seems to make you hysterical.

Peace! Calm! Use thy otherwise level head!

bump

[Nahum]

This thread reveals so much about our philisophical, political and religious differences. Some feel the law is important, and that to ignore it is self-defeating and dangerous. Others disagree with the law, and feel that is adequate reason to ignore it. The latter is an "every man does that which is right in his own eyes" mentality. This leads to chaos and anarchy. It also destroys the fabric of a nation by polarizing ethnic groups. This is accomplished by receiving unearned benefits and then whining about the same hand that feeds.

[Brett Prince]

Guys, I want to weigh in, but I'm just about certain I will be shot from both sides. Oh well... I should live a little.

I vehemently protest calling illegal immigrants "criminals." I see them as doing what many of us do when we break the speed limit. Yes, we have BROKEN the LAW--but are we criminals? The vast majority of these people are folks who cannot make a decent life for themselves in their home country (Mexico), and are simply attempting to survive. I would have to agree that they are breaking the law, but I would also have to say that there are cases where I would break the law if I felt the law was opposing the welfare of my family, or if were in opposition to what I felt was in the moral and spiritual interest of my family. I would not feel that I was being a criminal. I would consider a criminal someone who is doing deliberate harm to another, with evil intention. Coming over here to work DOES NOT apply. The very words "criminal" is perjorative in this case.

I vehemently protest putting illegal immigrants on a shortened path to citizenship. They should be placed at the back end of the line behind those who have waited and done this legally. I do NOT oppose their eventually becoming citizens. If this proposal truly handles this appropriately, then I could support that provision. I am not sure that it does. It may say it does, but paper and ink is so much waste if it is not airtight.

I vehemently protest any form of amnesty without some minimum changes prior to it. The proposal to up our border security is a welcome idea, but "half" the fence is a rather sour idea to me. How about "all" of it first? A national id card for illegal immigrants? I am dubious. I have no problem with it, in that most American citizens carry a driver's license and a social security card...why should immigrants not be required to do the same? On the other hand, if you can duplicate a driver's license, a social security card, a passport, etc., you can duplicate a national id card. This just makes room for more corruption.

I am for a border fence, technological barriers, and boots on the ground. I am also for a guest worker program, and I believe we can sustain a decent sized one.

I think the fine idea is a nice idea, but it amounts to so much blather. It will be reduced, forgiven, etc.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Guys, I want to weigh in, but I'm just about certain I will be shot from both sides. Oh well... I should live a little.

I vehemently protest calling illegal immigrants "criminals." I see them as doing what many of us do when we break the speed limit. Yes, we have BROKEN the LAW--but are we criminals? The vast majority of these people are folks who cannot make a decent life for themselves in their home country (Mexico), and are simply attempting to survive. I would have to agree that they are breaking the law, but I would also have to say that there are cases where I would break the law if I felt the law was opposing the welfare of my family, or if were in opposition to what I felt was in the moral and spiritual interest of my family. I would not feel that I was being a criminal. I would consider a criminal someone who is doing deliberate harm to another, with evil intention. Coming over here to work DOES NOT apply. The very words "criminal" is perjorative in this case.

I vehemently protest putting illegal immigrants on a shortened path to citizenship. They should be placed at the back end of the line behind those who have waited and done this legally. I do NOT oppose their eventually becoming citizens. If this proposal truly handles this appropriately, then I could support that provision. I am not sure that it does. It may say it does, but paper and ink is so much waste if it is not airtight.

I vehemently protest any form of amnesty without some minimum changes prior to it. The proposal to up our border security is a welcome idea, but "half" the fence is a rather sour idea to me. How about "all" of it first? A national id card for illegal immigrants? I am dubious. I have no problem with it, in that most American citizens carry a driver's license and a social security card...why should immigrants be required to do the same? On the other hand, if you can duplicate a driver's license, a social security card, a passport, etc., you can duplicate a national id card. This just makes room for more corruption.

I am for a border fence, technological barriers, and boots on the ground. I am also for a guest worker program, and I believe we can sustain a decent sized one.

I think the fine idea is a nice idea, but it amounts to so much blather. It will be reduced, forgiven, etc.

In the strictest sense, they ARE criminals. They are here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!
But I see what you are saying. I do not propose sending them to jail, which is what criminal CITIZENS receive for illegal acts. I propose deportation. Why does that seem so mean? I don't get it.

I am for LEGAL immigration without limits. America has been built through immigration.

The biggest problem I have is the constant whining and occasional demonstrations by those who are here solely at the discretion of a benevolent nation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This thread reveals so much about our philsophical, political and religious differences. Some feel the law is important, and that to ignore it is self-defeating and dangerous. Others disagree with the law, and feel that is adequate reason to ignore it. The latter is an "every man does that which is right in his own eyes" mentality. This leads to chaos and anarchy. It also destroys the fabric of a nation by polarizing ethic groups. This is accomplished by receiving unearned benefits and then whining about the same hand that feeds.

It also reveals something about the players personally...they never did respond to my question that what if we opened the doors to millions of illegals from the Philippines or Russia or Nigeria....could racist bias be playing a part here on the left leaning side where all the nasty accusations are coming from rather than or just as much as the right?

America used to be the great melting pot where ALL the worlds tired and poor and persecuted came and became Americans.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It also reveals something about the players personally...they never did respond to my question that what if we opened the doors to millions of illegals from the Philippines or Russia or Nigeria....could racist bias be playing a part here on the left leaning side where all the nasty accusations are coming from rather than or just as much as the right?

America used to be the great melting pot where ALL the worlds tired and poor and persecuted came and became Americans.

Give all the silly hypotheticals you want Prax ... that's what they are ... you refuse to address the real problem ... only with rhetoric you've heard spewed on talk radio .... they're here ... NOW ... what are we going to do ... ????? We can speak of the fantastic or .... speak about the present situation.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Give all the silly hypotheticals you want Prax ... that's what they are ... you refuse to address the real problem ... only with rhetoric you've heard spewed on talk radio .... they're here ... NOW ... what are we going to do ... ?????

Send 'em home.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Send 'em home.

Ain't going to happen as much as you rant and rave .... now give a solution that Congress would consider ....