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Re: Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

Sean read the scripture verse and give me an answer? Why is he telling them they are already there? If it is in the future than how can he tell them they are currently in the city?
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Hebrews 12:22

But ye ARE COME unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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Good Old King Jimmy English, just like Jesus use to speak it.
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At least a dozen more English translations translate the passage like this...

But YOU HAVE COME to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
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Revelation 20:11 Commentary: The Destruction of Heaven and Earth . . .

Verse 11 says that the “[e]arth and sky fled from his [God’s] presence, and there was no place for them.” This verse depicts the destruction of heaven and earth. This incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth is not likely to be the same one mentioned in Revelation 6:12-14 during the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as many preterists often suppose[xxii] since vs. 1-7 mention a thousand year period after the binding of Satan in v. 2. As stated above, Satan is bound during the aftermath of the Jewish war with Rome and released one thousand years later according to v. 7. Therefore, this incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth seems to have occurred one thousand year after the binding of Satan around the time of the Jewish War.


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Mike, do you agree with this.

I gotta know.

Just a yes or no.

Is the passage in Rev. 20 "really" speaking of the Jews and temple passing away?

Like this...


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth(Jews) and the heaven(temple) fled away; and there was found no place for them.(Jews and temple)

Please tell me yes or no if you view it this way.
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Wow this place has an innumerable numbers of angels, an innumerable number of people, and a 144,000 virgin men. This is physical though? This was going on in the first century A.D.? Sean, care to explain?
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Mike, do you agree with this.

I gotta know.

Just a yes or no.

Is the passage in Rev. 20 "really" speaking of the Jews and temple passing away?

Like this...


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth(Jews) and the heaven(temple) fled away; and there was found no place for them.(Jews and temple)

Please tell me yes or no if you view it this way.
Mike? My name isn't Mike?

My name is "Sean, answer my questions!" Benincasa
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Good Old King Jimmy English, just like Jesus use to speak it.
Hey, it was good enuff for Moses and the prophets and the apostles so it's good enuff for me.
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Sean who is on the throne?

Revelation 7:17

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Is this the same Lamb of Revelation 5:6?

Is that Lamb physical or symbolic?
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Hey, it was good enuff for Moses and the prophets and the apostles so it's good enuff for me.
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