Is The Serpent Seed Doctrine A "Damnable Heresy"?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Why dont you post some credible references to these facts

If you need help understanding that women were chattle in ancient times, I'm afraid you need to go back to the most basic and simplistic aspects of the study of history.

Look, for example, at the way in which the OT patriarchs purchased their wives; and consider that Abraham and company were actually "enlightened" by the standards of their times.

Look at the way Jacob wanted to forgo revenge for the rape of his daughter just so that he could enjoy amiable relations with the family of the man who had raped her. Women were seen as property and "things" that a man might accumulate toward some end.

The Bible records Jesus addressing his natural mother in a fashion consistent with His time. The angels called Mary "woman" when they met her at the tomb. In Matthew 15:28 - while praising her faith, Jesus calls the Canaanite woman by the same word.

I think you err when you try and and transpose 20th century English idioms into the 1st century manner of speech. To address a lady as "woman" in the first century was not an insult.

Originally Posted by pelathais

If you need help understanding that women were chattle in ancient times, I'm afraid you need to go back to the most basic and simplistic aspects of the study of history.

Look, for example, at the way in which the OT patriarchs purchased their wives; and consider that Abraham and company were actually "enlightened" by the standards of their times.

Look at the way Jacob wanted to forgo revenge for the rape of his daughter just so that he could enjoy amiable relations with the family of the man who had raped her. Women were seen as property and "things" that a man might accumulate toward some end.

The Bible records Jesus addressing his natural mother in a fashion consistent with His time. The angels called Mary "woman" when they met her at the tomb. In Matthew 15:28 - while praising her faith, Jesus calls the Canaanite woman by the same word.

I think you err when you try and and transpose 20th century English idioms into the 1st century manner of speech. To address a lady as "woman" in the first century was not an insult.

Unless she was your beloved mother

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

TRFanc.. pure conjecture and you know that... we can all say this was culture or that was and yet none of us know that for fact... he said

Who is my mother
he called her woman

I also believed he did this because he knew the Catholic Church would try to make her "the mother of God" when she was not

You dismiss what I've said as pure conjecture... but you dont see how your last line there is in itself "pure conjecture"? Amazing.

I think you need to slow it down, bro. Really.

Originally Posted by pelathais

TRFrance's references to the ancient culture of the Near East isn't something he just pulled out of the air. We have massive amount of literature and writings from this time period that help us to understand the culture and language usage of the people then. It's really more of a science, and not conjecture.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You dismiss what I've said as pure conjecture... but you dont see how your last line there is in itself "pure conjecture"? Amazing.

I think you need to slow it down, bro. Really.


Thank you.

Dont you love it... We have MASSIVE amounts of literatire... then please show it

[Praxeas]

Maybe....it is damnable heresy or worse IF it is in fact Kabbalistic in origin

You missed a great opportunity to see more truth there... the fact that he mentions his blood brothers are not his brothers.. should be telling you something.. he had no connection with this world by blood

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

You missed a great opportunity to see more truth there... the fact that he mentions his blood brothers are not his brothers.. should be telling you something.. he had no connection with this world by blood

HOGWASH!

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Rico

HOGWASH!

Rico

I think he needs the Hog in the bucket cartoon again.

[StMark]

Yes I think so and here's why. I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if this was already brought up, but i spent a good deal of time around Branhamites. Instead of teaching repentance and baptism, their means of salvations was "just believe the prophet". I heard that from THEIR MOUTH!

They use to say there was nothing to worry about because we were already of "Righteous seed" > my question was, " how did they know" ? how does anyone know if you came from Able's seed? just by believing in " the prophet" ??? ( and of course the seed doctrine)

[StMark]

Originally Posted by StMark

Yes I think so and here's why. I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if this was already brought up, but i spent a good deal of time around Branhamites. Instead of teaching repentance and baptism, their means of salvations was "just believe the prophet". I heard that from THEIR MOUTH!

They use to say there was nothing to worry about because we were already of "Righteous seed" > my question was, " how did they know" ? how does anyone know if you came from Able's seed? just by believing in " the prophet" ??? ( and of course the seed doctrine)

Did I say something in the above post that you all are avoiding to discuss?