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Old 07-03-2009, 12:51 PM
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Re: Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-0

If the devil cannot get us one way he tries another just to keep our focus wrong...

I think it is fine to teach the people to dress nice...however the devil has been around a long time and he studies each one of us...He is a smart devil!
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I was so sadden to hear a young missionary bragging about teaching his preachers to wear white shirts...lol...How out of focus can we get...

A lost world dying without even KNOWING the name of Jesus and a missionary teaching people to wear white shirts...I am glad peer pressure has never been my problem...lol...
I am glad it never was either.

It is sad. What does God care if they wear white or multi-colored shirts. Whydoes God care if the men wear a kilt or pants. Why does God care if a women wears pants or skirt? As long as you are modest and not trying to be something He did not make you to be.
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If peer pressure bothered me I would have left the Bible on the pulpit and walked away a long time ago...
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Re: Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-0

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If peer pressure bothered me I would have left the Bible on the pulpit and walked away a long time ago...
Well, we're glad you didn't, Sis Alvear. Always appreciate your posts, by the way.
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neither at the moment if you must know. =D
That was too much information!:
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I never thought I would hear myself say this but, WOW, what near minded thinking. I know that straight is the way and narrow the gate stuff. So we have to dress according to our culture? What do we do with those that come from other places? Or do we have to dress like others when we go into their culture? I think it is narrow mindedness to think that because a guy who may wear a kilt is a sissy and going to split hell wide open just as I think that a woman wearing pants is going to do the same. So when we go to India are the ladies supposed to dress in the outfits they wear there? a lot of them wear a pants with a long tunic type top over it. Very lady like and beautiful in most cases. Do men have to wear robes when we go to the middle east? What about when they come here? Are the required to now dress like out culture? Why do we have to try and dictate to others what they must wear. If it is modest and they are not trying to look and act like the opposite sex why does it matter to anyone?
Clothing styles for liberals and conservatives alike have all changed when cultural norms shifted. Anyone who would assert otherwise is unlearned.

For example, 100 years ago it would have been only a promiscuous and a women of excessively loose morals who would display her ankles in public. 60 years ago, fishnet nylons were only worn by women of ill repute. Today, conservative churches of renown are in gross violation of both historical cultural norms. Women who appeared attired so in those Christian assemblies would be targets to "pray through" to say the least.

However, as cultures change, so changes what constitutes modesty and style. As long as the style and garment worn does is not in direct violation of scripture we should be careful in our condemnation of it.

As an aside, I also very much enjoy the spirit and the content of Sister Alvear's posts.
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That was too much information!:
I never said I wasn't wearing anything. get yo mind out the gutter









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I defend the right for those who want to wear that which is an abomination to God. This is July 4th and you have the American right to displease God and do those things which He hates.
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Clothing styles for liberals and conservatives alike have all changed when cultural norms shifted. Anyone who would assert otherwise is unlearned.

For example, 100 years ago it would have been only a promiscuous and a women of excessively loose morals who would display her ankles in public. 60 years ago, fishnet nylons were only worn by women of ill repute. Today, conservative churches of renown are in gross violation of both historical cultural norms. Women who appeared attired so in those Christian assemblies would be targets to "pray through" to say the least.

However, as cultures change, so changes what constitutes modesty and style. As long as the style and garment worn does is not in direct violation of scripture we should be careful in our condemnation of it.

As an aside, I also very much enjoy the spirit and the content of Sister Alvear's posts.
You are exactly right. In Victorian England a woman baring her ankles was seen as a temptress, a woman of ill repute. Today ankles are visible in 99% of Apostolic / Pentecostal churches regardless of how conservative they proclaim to be.

History proves wrong those who say that what is considered "moral"(once you go beyond God's absolutes) is not a moving target dependent upon the age, geographic area, etc.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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