Is footwashing a heaven or hell issue?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 2theX

Footwashing is a peculiar experience, kinda like an electrical cardioversion- "♡heart shock".
It sends Holy Ghost impulses back into our spiritual man once we've been obedient to the action of footwashing.
THERE'S NO substituting it!

Wow!

Aquila you need to pay attention to this!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Will one be lost if they die before partaking in footwashing? Yes or no?

Boy, you gonna burn in Quaker hell!

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It is required that Christians not forsake the assemblying of themselves together. If one dies before they were able to do that, would they be lost?

It is required that Christians should teach and admonish one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. But if you died before making it to meeting, and never got to sing with fellow Christians, would you be lost?

In other words, the question misses the point.

That's salvation based on works.
Salvation is based on what Christ did for me on the cross.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

That's salvation based on works.
Salvation is based on what Christ did for me on the cross.

So then you don't even have to believe!

Whodathunkit?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So then you don't even have to believe!

Whodathunkit?

You just brought the conclusion to which hyper Calvinism leads its devotees.

Salvation based on works?

The New Testament actually promotes works as how we are judged.

Jesus said you shall know the tree by its works, and that a good tree couldn't produce bad works, and a bad tree couldn't produce good works. We are saved by grace but we are judged by works. It is that simple. 1st John 3:7 tells us that righteousness is a practice, and we must not be led astray by anyone teaching differently to that thought. 1st John 3:3 says everyone who has this hope based on Jesus Christ maintains his purity, just as Christ Himself is pure. Grace enables us to deal with situations and overcome. Paul was reminded that God's grace was all he needed to overcome a thorn. So, we purify ourselves through Christ and walk as He walked in newness of life.

I believe that even people who say that they don't believe in works would never lie on purpose, shop lift, curse out someone who cut them off, or watch porn. Because abstinence itself is a work. Yet, the No Works Crowd, really aren't considering what exactly is legalism. They say the word so much that it even loses its meaning.

God use to wink at Israel's ignorance, but there would come a time when He called all men, Judean and Roman to repentance.

[Dordrecht]

I never said we can be without works.

All I'm saying is that works will not bring salvation.

(I know many "christians" who think they are saved because of the work they do for the church.
Yet they are not even born again, at least I don't see the evidence of it.)

Salvation only comes through what Christ did at the cross and
works comes as a result of being born again.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I never said we can be without works.

All I'm saying is that works will not bring salvation.

(I know many "christians" who think they are saved because of the work they do for the church.
Yet they are not even born again, at least I don't see the evidence of it.)

Salvation only comes through what Christ did at the cross and
works comes as a result of being born again.

But that what the individuals believe who happen to have works.

They believe as you do that if you are "saved" you will behave accordingly.

[Dordrecht]

I remember one situation about a fellow who was scared to lose his salvation if he would skip a sunday going to church.
This might sound absurd, but there are people out there who hold this kind of believe.

Do I do things (works) for the church?
Of course I do.
I do it because I love the Lord.
Not because I am afraid my salvation will be lost if I don't.
That's the point I am trying to make here.
Works come as a result of salvation.

Any born again Christian WANTS to help out, it comes naturally.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I remember one situation about a fellow who was scared to lose his salvation if he would skip a sunday going to church.
This might sound absurd, but there are people out there who hold this kind of believe.

Do I do things (works) for the church?
Of course I do.
I do it because I love the Lord.
Not because I am afraid my salvation will be lost if I don't.
That's the point I am trying to make here.
Works come as a result of salvation.

Any born again Christian WANTS to help out, it comes naturally.

Could you consider that the individual who was "scared" of missing church has the same love that you do? Yet he manifests it differently?

[Dordrecht]

Yes, that could be true.

But I was using this as an example how people get themselves all confused about "works".

Point I'm making is this: You cannot work yourself into heaven.