Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by DAII

A fool for the Cross, Falla ... but you cannot make a doctrine from isolating scripture and forcing your meaning into it ... and that's what you have done.

It's unsound and it's why most consider this paradigm heterodoxy or heretical.

No explicit apostolic doctrine of necessary invocation to obtain salvation and sin remission/washing ...

It does not exist.

Time will tell, dear Dan, Time will tell!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

Did you say "Jesus" after posting this?

Yes, I just added it in, under my breath, so as not to offend you.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Col. 3:17
17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

When we baptize someone in or with water, we do it in word and deed. We say, "I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ" and then we do it in deed by dunking the person under the water backward or by plunging them straight down into the water or maybe face forward three times depending on how you do it.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Time will tell, dear Dan, Time will tell!

Falla we can create doctrine on our experiences ... which is unsound ...

or ON THE WORD OF GOD ... which is unchangeable/ immutable ...

I have no doubt about your faith in Jesus Christ ... serious doubts about how you approach the salvation He afforded by throwing out Scripture and believing the rest of His Body doesn't get it ...

I think you'll rejoice before the Throne even though you are dead wrong about who will be in Glory.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, I just added it in, under my breath, so as not to offend you.

Don't use the Lord's name in vain. *wink*

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

Don't use the Lord's name in vain. *wink*

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by DAII

These hokey analogies of babies crying in the natural ... and necessarily equating it to the spiritual is sheer lunacy and wishful thinking ...

In the 3 step paradigm ... I've heard these self-birthing sycophants compare each step to the gestation period and delivery ... yet in the case of Cornelius we have the "final step", new life/resurrection, or delivery and "crying" in tongues ... before there is a proper burial and "going through the birth canal" ... pick your analogy ...
Can one obey the Gospel and have new life without following the steps Christ took? It's convenient word blathering. That which is still dead cannot be quickened to life unless the Author of Life ... does the quickening ...

The proposal made here is that ... that which is reckoned dead can live before being quickened.

The same folks who politically consider a fetus alive and a baby in the mother's womb... would somehow fallaciously use an analogy that falls short in logical sequence and doctrinally .... while continually putting the glory and effort for the birth and new creation on the baby.

Compare to a physical baby crying all you want ... it ain't bible or logic

If we are going to use the natural and logic to explain the instantaneous work of the Holy Spirit we're doomed to the laws of physics and our limited earth-bound definitions.

We must be born FROM ABOVE (gennao anothen)

1Cor.15:45-47

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

First we are born in the natural, then in the spiritual. What do you think "born again" means.

Falla39

[faithit166]

when i found myself at a pentecostal altar in `1993 i had no idea what repentance,baptism in jesus name or even the holy ghost was let alone speaking in tongues but that night i repented once they told me what it was i got baptized in jesus name filled with the holy ghost and spoke in tongues and days later i had to ask what that was lol praise god

[geekette]

Originally Posted by faithit166

when i found myself at a pentecostal altar in `1993 i had no idea what repentance,baptism in jesus name or even the holy ghost was let alone speaking in tongues but that night i repented once they told me what it was i got baptized in jesus name filled with the holy ghost and spoke in tongues and days later i had to ask what that was lol praise god

If you don't understand what's happened to you, can you really say that you've been saved?

[jfrog]

The most telling attribute about those Christians that speak in tongues is that they live life no differently than those who do not.