Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movement

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

What is the latin word for social?

Get on with your point, and please explain why the heck it matters?

What's the word social in Greek?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

First published in ALERT issue 8 April 1991:

There is no doubt whatever about the clear Biblical injunctions that impose a social responsibility upon the Christian, and especially a concern for the poor and underprivileged (as e.g. in James 2:14-16 and 1John 3:17, and numerous passages in the Old Testament). These do not, however, require us to follow headlong in the train of every person or organisation or body of opinion that claims to be promoting social justice. Not only has God clearly imposed social concern upon us in the Scriptures, but in them He has also given us guidelines to direct us.


What, then, is social justice in Biblical terms? "Justice" and "righteousness" are part of a way of life which God expects of us as His people (see e.g. Micah 6:8; Ps. 11:7; 1John 3:7). This stems from the kind of character which we possess, and is in turn the reflection of what God Himself is and how He acts (1John 3:7). Social justice is essentially the outworking of this way of life in our relationships with others. It is thus not an option that we may accept or avoid at our choice; it is a necessary part of our practical Christian living.

As I've previously stated this sense of mission toward justice are Christian imperatives. The question becomes, then, in a Democracy, these who seek justice, how should that be accomplished in a governmental system? The opinions vary. Some have libertarian viewpoints of government that says the best way for all people to have a sound system is through a limited government. Then there are liberals, who have an opinion that larger government will be best for us. These are opinions of government. That's all they are. A Christian can be a liberal or a conservative, and both have an attitude of social justice. They can fight to uphold the tenants of our great Declaration that "all men are created equal." We can be a voice of justice when social issues come up in the nation. A moral voice even. There's no need for liberal or conservative to try and interpret their ideas about government into their own specific governmental system. That's not the point of social justice. There are some who use that name that have an entirely different meaning. So instead of getting red-faced over the word, it's best to understand what is meant, and not boycott an entire word that has beautiful intentions and even theology behind it.

You keep inserting the word social. Mindless repitition of a pet word won't get it inserted in the bible.

You have zero law classes?

Under your socialist utopia, who decides who has too much?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

You keep inserting the word social. Mindless repitition of a pet word won't get it inserted in the bible.

You have zero law classes?

Under your socialist utopia, who decides who has too much?

Still stuck on the word despite my attempts to help you out. Not sure what else to do with you, coadie.

Take the word "social" out if you makes you feel better I take it you didn't really read anything I posted anyway. You just searched for the word (which appears to be YOUR pet issue). Social - people. Justice - what is right.

What do law classes have to do with anything? I, in fact, DO have law-related classes and am industry that requires me to know contracts, torts, etc... What's your expertise, coadie? And explain where it comes in to play with your argument?

My socialist utopia? Who said anything about that?

I'm trying here... trying to actually interact with you... please don't prove me wrong.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Get on with your point, and please explain why the heck it matters?

What's the word social in Greek?

You were quoting the Great Catholic St Thomas Aquinas. He was working in latin and you avoid the question.

This lengthy thread you babble on and on about social Justice. The Bible and early writers don't use the expression nor do they use todays definitions.

Marx does not argue that all inequality or individual differences in wages should be eliminated in the first stage communism, in the immediate aftermath of a revolution.
This is probably the circumstances discussed by Marx in which we might find principles of distributive justice that can, we some adjustment, be applied in liberal democratic capitalist societies rules by labor, social democratic or socialist parties.

How soon should we start distributing assets to attain social justice? How much force should be used? Most wealthy people are disciplined and save money. It will take force to bully them out of it. Got to have social justice.

The socialist justice group claim the money was acquired by abbuse of the working classes. This is the class struggle. Mein Kampf.

[coadie]

ABORTION AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
By Wanda Franz, Ph.D.

Among the many urgent decisions our new president has had to make, overturning the “Mexico City Policy” was most certainly not one of them. That policy—first proclaimed by President Ronald Reagan, continued by President George H. W. Bush, rescinded infamously by President Bill Clinton, and re-instated by President George W. Bush—denied U.S. tax dollars to organizations promoting and performing abortion abroad. Most regrettably, President Obama saw fit to use your money to make the killing of unborn babies in foreign countries easier by issuing an executive order abolishing the “Mexico City Policy.”

So since we have money, the social justice advocates overtly and/or covertly say we need to pay for abortions. Abortion is the most significant endeavor for social justice.

[coadie]

The first page of the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels

The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.
The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

1. By bourgeoisie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labour.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...o/ch01.htm#007

[Maximilian]

Thoman Aquanis, one of the earliest to use the term, from a Christian perspective. Not sure what you're not getting out of that.


Sigh... I tried folks. Game over.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Thoman Aquanis, one of the earliest to use the term, from a Christian perspective. Not sure what you're not getting out of that.


Sigh... I tried folks. Game over.

That was your first mistake. You also probably looked directly into his eyes.

NEVER look directly into his eyes. It will drive you nonsensical (much like him).

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Still stuck on the word despite my attempts to help you out. Not sure what else to do with you, coadie.

Take the word "social" out if you makes you feel better I take it you didn't really read anything I posted anyway. You just searched for the word (which appears to be YOUR pet issue). Social - people. Justice - what is right.

What do law classes have to do with anything? I, in fact, DO have law-related classes and am industry that requires me to know contracts, torts, etc... What's your expertise, coadie? And explain where it comes in to play with your argument?

My socialist utopia? Who said anything about that?

I'm trying here... trying to actually interact with you... please don't prove me wrong.

People like your self that are ignorant about topics of justice seem to get off track in discussing justice and law.

With your restricted education, criminal justice social justice and other form of justice are not the same.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Thoman Aquanis, one of the earliest to use the term, from a Christian perspective. Not sure what you're not getting out of that.


Sigh... I tried folks. Game over.

Do you mean St Thomas d'Aquinas?

Aquinas blended Greek philosophy and Christian doctrine
Just like you do. He was a Roman Catholic monk.

However, his credulity regarding demonology and witchcraft had an unfortunate influence on witchhunters, and he was later cited as an authority by such writers as Heinrich Kramer and Jakob Sprenger, authors of the infamous Malleus Maleficarum. Although Aquinas did not accept the concept of a pact with the Devil, he endorsed the belief of diabolical association, and the incubus and succubus. He echoed Albertus Magnus in claiming that when Satan tempted Christ on the mountain-top, he carried Christ on his shoulders, and this belief was used by later witchhunters to endorse the theory of transvection, or magical transport of witches through the air. Aquinas also believed in the power of the evil eye used by old women who had an association with the Devil. His argument that heretics should be burned was later used to justify the burning of witches.

Social justice St thomas d'Aquinas style. Burn the heretics.

No wonder maxililian get nasty on the social justice issue.

"Well-ordered self-love is right and natural."

Is he a Christian? Burn heretics?