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AreYouReady? · #**181** 02-22-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

You just never know what you're going to get when it comes to him.

So....he's like a box of chocolates?

UnTraditional · #**182** 02-23-2013, 05:28 AM

Well, allow me to start with this. I was a man who had thrown it all away. I was tired of the mess, trying to be everything, trying to please, and tired of lies and manipulation. I was tired of trying to fit into molds, trying to be the 'right Apostolic', and tired of playing a game that far too many believers play, wounded but still wearing a mask. I was sick of it, and I mean sick of it. I walked away, and decided that if I HAD to go to church, I would return to a cessationist church where I could sit there, be lied to, and feel nothing but religion. I threw everything away, and said that it was enough. I was tired of this oneness versus trinity nonsense which in all honesty made no sense to me whatsoever, and I was sick of trying to make everyone like me by saying the right things, defending the right things, and being right in the eyes of religious hypocrites who were interested in using me instead of letting God heal the wounds that I had deep inside.

And, I did just that. I walked away from the us-4-and-no-more mentality, and decided that it was not worth it. I had enough of Pentecost, enough of the arguing, the kingdom building, the attacks, the mental narcissism mindset that I had allowed myself to be surrounded with, and I got tired of self righteous Pharisees who loved being right in their own eyes more than being right before God of a broken and contrite spirit.

But, God was not through with me. He would not let me go. Instead, through a series of events which could only be termed as supernatural, God began wooing me back to His presence, and the Holy Spirit began working on my life. I began seeking a place of healing, of some sort of wine and oil of the Spirit that would make this broken man whole again. while so many snickered and attacked me in the past, not one offered a hand of healing, and many of those who did, when they saw how messed up and wounded I was, withdrew the hand quite quickly. But, God has a people who will love unconditionally, pray unceasingly, and work tirelessly to bring about healing to those whom religion and judgmentalism has almost killed.

The Holy Spirit led me to a Foursquare church here in Houston, Victory Christian Center. The gifts of the Spirit flow so freely, and the refreshing is so tangible that one cannot help but to experience healing just by walking through the doors of the sanctuary. Prayer saturates the place, and there is so much soaking in the Spirit, even hours before service even starts. I walked in wounded, dying, and washed up. I have experienced such extraordinary grace that my entire heart, mind, and life has been thoroughly transformed. No, I am not the same.

Now, someone mentioned that all this has taken place since October. October began my downfall, my falling, and my bleeding where no man would help me. Hard core, conservative, and dying would be three words that described both my appearance and my mask. Now, since I have experienced extreme moves of the Spirit, refreshing, true revival, and spiritual restoration, I am not the man I was. And, I am not someone who is just some Internet mess either. Instead, I have been called with such an humbling call to go and minister by all means necessary, this amazing grace to all peoples who are in need to experience it, whether it be through salvation, or restoration.

Am I trinitarian? One word, yes. Why the change? Too many questioned lingered while I was in Oneness, question I could not get or give sufficient answers to. Hope this will address all curiosity.

Michael The Disciple · #**183** 02-23-2013, 06:21 AM

But you have left Oneness before. You will be back. I had more lingering questions as a Trinitarian than I have as a Oneness. Trinitarianism is full of holes.

UnTraditional · #**184** 02-23-2013, 06:29 AM

MTD, it does not matter, not anymore. Why? Look at it like this, that the Holy Spirit is being poured out mightily upon Oneness and Trinity churches. If it does not matter to God, why in the world should it matter to us?

The Lord is close to those who are of a broken heart and saves such as are crushed with sorrow for sin and are humbly and thoroughly penitent. (Psalms 34:18 AMP)

We want to put so much focus on the perfect and right doctrine, that pride easily seeps in, and this demonic notion of us alone being right is 100% wrong.

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For [the Spirit which] you have now received [is] not a spirit of slavery to put you once more in bondage to fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption [the Spirit producing sonship] in [the bliss of] which we cry, Abba (Father)! Father! The Spirit Himself [thus] testifies together with our own spirit, [assuring us] that we are children of God. And if we are [His] children, then we are [His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His inheritance with Him]; only we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.
(Romans 8:14-17 AMP)

Shalom my brother.

UnTraditional · #**185** 02-23-2013, 06:31 AM

And the above post is an issue that many will not grasp. What of those who do not agree with Oneness doctrinally? Are they lost? If they are, then why does God pour out of the Holy Spirit so mightily, with great and awesome signs and wonders following? If God pouring out of the Holy Spirit just for these people to be deceived? If the right doctrine on every point is so important, than surely God does not think so. He has people of many beliefs, but they are His.

houston · #**186** 02-23-2013, 11:27 AM

Bill,

Every time you change sides you pop up with a new ministry website. Step back from "ministry" for a long while.

Everyone has questions. Everyone moves left or right from where they started. You are too quick to label yourself before your questions are answered.

TGBTG · #**187** 02-23-2013, 12:01 PM

Untraditional,

I am happy for you. I am glad that you have found a group of believers who are exhibiting what it means to be the church. I am really happy for you.

I do not believe that Oneness or Trinity is a hinge point of salvation. I believe the Deity of Christ is a hinge point of salvation (as per Matt 16:16-18).

Having said that, I would also take Houston's advice, that is, don't be quick to label yourself Trinitarian or Oneness. Labels tend to force us into a corner.Just be a radical disciple for Jesus Christ, grow in Christ.

Let people you come in contact with know the grace of God in your life. Whether they be unbelievers, believers, cessationists, or whoever. Just be Jesus to all.
He'll take care of the rest.

Bless you brother...

I met a brother who came to know the Lord while in prison. These were his words "I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, so yes I believe in the trinity. But I also believe Jesus is through and through God Almighty. I've seen God work signs and wonders in AOG when I preach there and also in the UPC when I preach there. I guess God is not as THREE as we believe (speaking of his church) and not as ONE as they believe."

navygoat1998 · #**188** 02-23-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Untraditional,

I am happy for you. I am glad that you have found a group of believers who are exhibiting what it means to be the church. I am really happy for you.

I do not believe that Oneness or Trinity is a hinge point of salvation. I believe the Deity of Christ is a hinge point of salvation (as per Matt 16:16-18).

Having said that, I would also take Houston's advice, that is, don't be quick to label yourself Trinitarian or Oneness. Labels tend to force us into a corner.Just be a radical disciple for Jesus Christ, grow in Christ.

Let people you come in contact with know the grace of God in your life. Whether they be unbelievers, believers, cessationists, or whoever. Just be Jesus to all.
He'll take care of the rest.

Bless you brother...

I met a brother who came to know the Lord while in prison. These were his words "I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, so yes I believe in the trinity. But I also believe Jesus is through and through God Almighty. I've seen God work signs and wonders in AOG when I preach there and also in the UPC when I preach there. I guess God is not as THREE as we believe (speaking of his church) and not as ONE as they believe."

Good stuff my friend.