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03-20-2013, 10:02 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
I do realize that Bro. Epley is not UPC, but his attitude/spirit is very typical of the conservative element of the UPC (spiritual elistist/judge everyone else who they consider more liberal). This reminds me how some of the preachers (who are the most judgmental) treat those they don't agree with. SE is ok here on AFF, he just thinks I'm a lost liberal charismatic, which I can deal with here on AFF, but I don't want to fellowship with people who can't accept me. I don't demand they see every issue as I do, but neither will I see every issue the way they do.
What is also bothersome to me is that SE absolutely cannot defend his views with solid scriptural exegesis BUT there are still posters left and right shouting amen. (Lacey, Randy, Ferd). It just dampens my enthusiasm and optimism and reminds me, I don't want to be in a church lke that, and I do know that alot of UPCs are like that.
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03-21-2013, 07:30 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
I do realize that Bro. Epley is not UPC, but his attitude/spirit is very typical of the conservative element of the UPC (spiritual elistist/judge everyone else who they consider more liberal). This reminds me how some of the preachers (who are the most judgmental) treat those they don't agree with. SE is ok here on AFF, he just thinks I'm a lost liberal charismatic, which I can deal with here on AFF, but I don't want to fellowship with people who can't accept me. I don't demand they see every issue as I do, but neither will I see every issue the way they do.
What is also bothersome to me is that SE absolutely cannot defend his views with solid scriptural exegesis BUT there are still posters left and right shouting amen. (Lacey, Randy, Ferd). It just dampens my enthusiasm and optimism and reminds me, I don't want to be in a church lke that, and I do know that alot of UPCs are like that.
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So I can better understand what your trying to say is that you want to want to keep first things first and that is Jesus Christ everything else falls in line after Him.
You want to be part of the large Church and the Bride of Christ and not some exclusive religious club that flicks its nose at the rest of the bride. You know those are stoning words........  
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03-18-2013, 11:54 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
Week 2 - Good weather & grilling wins out over the UPC church visit!!!!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-18-2013, 02:32 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Week 2 - Good weather & grilling wins out over the UPC church visit!!!!
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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03-18-2013, 05:42 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
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I am predicting next Sunday it will be boating!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-18-2013, 05:49 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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I am predicting next Sunday it will be boating!
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Sometimes my wife and I have the "what if" conversation. What if the only 2 churches in town were the UPC church or the Baptist church what would we do.
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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03-18-2013, 05:59 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
Sometimes my wife and I have the "what if" conversation. What if the only 2 churches in town were the UPC church or the Baptist church what would we do.
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I have struggled with that thought also. The only time I have ever had to test the water to see what it would be like was a year or so after my wife's back had gotten so bad she could no longer make the 45 minute drive to CC, sit for two hours, then drive back. She began going to the second morning service at a trinitarian charismatic church in our town. I continued to go to CC's early service then would race back to go to church with my wife.
I believe the people at that church were saved and sincere and I was blessed by the preaching and teaching. However I could never get over the fact they baptized in the titles only. I concluded I could not attend there.
Luckily we found another charismatic church that while not "Oneness" had a pastor who believed the correct baptism is in Jesus name so baptized people in the titles and Jesus name (both every baptism, not one or the other). He also was very familiar with Oneness doctrine and in that regard believed as I do about the amount of difference between that and trinitarianism. We attended that church about a year before our pastor released us to go help out in the new church plant our daughter and SIL were attending that had been started by the former Youth Pastor of the local UPC church where we are today.
Interestingly enough my parents, way back in the 1950's, faced this dilemma. They were UPC but moved to an isolated town where there was no Oneness church. They attended a Church of God church and my mom even taught SS. They met with the pastor and told him the situation and when my mom became a teacher she told the pastor she would not teach the trinity when those lessons came around and he was fine with that. A few years later my parents helped found the UPC church in that town that is still there today.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-18-2013, 07:33 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by CC1
Week 2 - Good weather & grilling wins out over the UPC church visit!!!!
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Not quite what I said or meant.
CC1 have you considered putting in an application at MSNBC? 
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03-18-2013, 02:12 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
Sad to say not everyone loves truth. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I am told. Some believed in Jesus and others crucified Him. Some believed in the Apostles others stoned and beheaded them. And it has not changed. I have bought the truth and I am not going to sell it. My seat is not for sale. I am happy with the Lord and His church. I realized years ago I would never understand folks not loving truth because truth has been good to me. Now 51 years in the church and I am not tired yet. Love His message-methods-lifestyle. No complaint from me. If I lose my mind and leave the church it will not in any way diminish the church it was going great when I got in 51 years ago and if I leave tomorrow the message or lifestyle will not change. I will be the loser not the church.
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03-18-2013, 02:31 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Sad to say not everyone loves truth. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I am told. Some believed in Jesus and others crucified Him. Some believed in the Apostles others stoned and beheaded them. And it has not changed. I have bought the truth and I am not going to sell it. My seat is not for sale. I am happy with the Lord and His church. I realized years ago I would never understand folks not loving truth because truth has been good to me. Now 51 years in the church and I am not tired yet. Love His message-methods-lifestyle. No complaint from me. If I lose my mind and leave the church it will not in any way diminish the church it was going great when I got in 51 years ago and if I leave tomorrow the message or lifestyle will not change. I will be the loser not the church.
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I agree and am happy that you are happy. But the church is bigger than you think.
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