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Please someone answer my questions, I will gladly address others' questions AFTER mine are answered...thanks brethren.
In order to answer yours I must have you answer mine. Can you do it? Yes or no? The answers to my questions are similar in nature to the answer to yours. Do you understand that?
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We could answer simultaneously if you wish, but we need to mutually answer, not just me or someone else excluding you.
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WOW, LOOK WHAT I FOUND...I apologized for nothing....I knew you referenced Josephus somewhere...Looks like Mike owes me an apology here...He called me a liar for accusing me of saying he quoted Josephus on AFF



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Re: Is matt. 24:40-41 the rapture
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End of the world - Του αιωνος; or, of the age, viz. the Jewish economy, which is a frequent accommodated meaning of the word Αιων, the proper meaning of which is, as Aristotle (De Caelo) observes, Eternal. Αιων, quasi αει ων continual being: and no words can more forcibly point out eternity than these. See the note on Gen_21:33.

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For many shall come in my name -

1. Josephus says, (War, b. ii. c. 13), that there were many who, pretending to Divine inspiration, deceived the people, leading out numbers of them to the desert, pretending that God would there show them the signs of liberty, meaning redemption from the Roman power: and that an Egyptian false prophet led 30,000 men into the desert, who were almost all cut off by Felix. See Act_21:38. It was a just judgment for God to deliver up that people into the hands of false Christs who had rejected the true one. Soon after our Lord’s crucifixion, Simon Magus appeared, and persuaded the people of Samaria that he was the great power of God, Act_8:9, Act_8:10; and boasted among the Jews that he was the son of God.

2. Of the same stamp and character was also Dositheus, the Samaritan, who pretended that he was the Christ foretold by Moses.

3. About twelve years after the death of our Lord, when Cuspius Fadus was procurator of Judea, arose an impostor of
the name of Theudas, who said he was a prophet, and persuaded a great multitude to follow him with their best effects to the river Jordan, which he promised to divide for their passage; and saying these things, says Josephus, he deceived many: almost the very words of our Lord.

4. A few years afterwards, under the reign of Nero, while Felix was procurator of Judea, impostors of this stamp were so frequent that some were taken and killed almost every day. Josephus. Ant. b. xx. c. 4. and 7.
The Second sign, wars and commotions.

Mat 24:6 -
The next signs given by our Lord are wars and rumors of wars, etc. - These may be seen in Josephus, Ant. b. xviii. c. 9; War, b. ii. c. 10; especially as to the rumors of wars, when Caligula ordered his statue to be set up in the temple of God, which the Jews having refused, had every reason to expect a war with the Romans, and were in such consternation on the occasion that they even neglected to till their land.

Mat 24:7 -
Nation shall rise against nation - This portended the dissensions, insurrections and mutual slaughter of the Jews, and those of other nations, who dwelt in the same cities together; as particularly at Caesarea, where the Jews and Syrians contended about the right of the city, which ended there in the total expulsion of the Jews, above 20,000 of whom were slain. The whole Jewish nation being exasperated at this, flew to arms, and burnt and plundered the neighboring cities and villages of the Syrians, making an immense slaughter of the people. The Syrians, in return, destroyed not a less number of the Jews. At Scythopolis they murdered upwards of 13,000. At Ascalon they killed 2,500. At Ptolemais they slew 2000, and made many prisoners. The Tyrians also put many Jews to death, and imprisoned more: the people of Gadara did likewise; and all the other cities of Syria in proportion, as they hated or feared the Jews. As Alexandria the Jews and heathens fought, and 50,000 of the former were slain. The people of Damascus conspired against the Jews of that city, and, assaulting them unarmed, killed 10,000 of them. See Bishop Newton, and Dr. Lardner.

Kingdom against kingdom - This portended the open wars of different tetrarchies and provinces against each other.

1st. That of the Jews and Galileans against the Samaritans, for the murder of some Galileans going up to the feast of Jerusalem, while Cumanus was procurator.

2dly. That of the whole nation of the Jews against the Romans and Agrippa, and other allies of the Roman empire; which began when Gessius Florus was procurator.

3dly. That of the civil war in Italy, while Otho and Vitellius were contending for the empire.

It is worthy of remark, that the Jews themselves say, “In the time of the Messiah, wars shall be stirred up in the world; nation shall rise against nation, and city against city.” Sohar Kadash. “Again, Rab. Eleasar, the son of Abina, said, When ye see kingdom rising against kingdom, then expect the immediate appearance of the Messiah.” Bereshith Rabba, sect. 42.

The Third sign, pestilence and famine.

It is farther added, that There shall be famines, and pestilences - There was a famine foretold by Agabus, (Act_11:28), which is mentioned by Suetonius, Tacitus, and Eusebius; which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar, and was so severe at Jerusalem that Josephus says (Ant. b. xx. c. 2). many died for lack of food. Pestilences are the usual attendants of famines: as the scarcity and badness of provisions generally produce epidemic disorders.

The Fourth sign, earthquakes or popular commotions.

Earthquakes, in divers places - If we take the word σεισμοι from σειω to shake, in the first sense, then it means particularly those popular commotions and insurrections which have already been noted; and this I think to be the true meaning of the word: but if we confine it to earthquakes, there were several in those times to which our Lord refers; particularly one at Crete in the reign of Claudius, one at Smyrna, Miletus, Chios, Samos. See Grotius. One at Rome, mentioned by Tacitus; and one at Laodicea in the reign of Nero, in which the city was overthrown, as were likewise Hierapolis and Colosse. See Tacit. Annal. lib. xii. and lib. xiv. One at Campania, mentioned by Seneca; and one at Rome, in the reign of Galba, mentioned by Suetonius in the life of that emperor. Add to all these, a dreadful one in Judea, mentioned by Josephus (War, b. iv. c. 4). accompanied by a dreadful tempest, violent winds, vehement showers, and continual lightnings and thunders; which led many to believe that these things portended some uncommon calamity.

The Fifth sign, fearful portents.

To these St. Luke adds that there shall be fearful sights and great signs from heaven (Luk_21:11). Josephus, in his preface to the Jewish war, enumerates these.

1st. A star hung over the city like a sword; and a comet continued a whole year.

2d. The people being assembled at the feast of unleavened bread, at the ninth hour of the night, a great light shone about the altar and the temple, and this continued for half an hour.

3d. At the same feast, a cow led to sacrifice brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple!

4th. The eastern gate of the temple, which was of solid brass, and very heavy, and could hardly be shut by twenty men, and was fastened by strong bars and bolts, was seen at the sixth hour of the night to open of its own accord!

5th. Before sun-setting there were seen, over all the country, chariots and armies fighting in the clouds, and besieging cities.

6th. At the feast of pentecost, when the priests were going into the inner temple by night, to attend their service, they heard first a motion and noise, and then a voice, as of a multitude, saying, Let Us Depart Hence!

7th. What Josephus reckons one of the most terrible signs of all was, that one Jesus, a country fellow, four years before the war began, and when the city was in peace and plenty, came to the feast of tabernacles, and ran crying up and down the streets, day and night: “A voice from the east! a voice from the west! a voice from the four winds! a voice against Jerusalem and the temple! a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides! and a voice against all the people!” Though the magistrates endeavored by stripes and tortures to restrain him, yet he still cried, with a mournful voice, “Wo, wo to Jerusalem!” And this he continued to do for several years together, going about the walls and crying with a loud voice: “Wo, wo to the city, and to the people, and to the temple!” and as he added, “Wo, wo to myself!” a stone from some sling or engine struck him dead on the spot!

It is worthy of remark that Josephus appeals to the testimony of others, who saw and heard these fearful things. Tacitus, a Roman historian, gives very nearly the same account with that of Josephus. Hist. lib. v. QUOTE MFBLUME.....post 264 of is Matt. 24 the rapture
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WOW, LOOK WHAT I FOUND...I apologized for nothing....I knew you referenced Josephus somewhere...Looks like Mike owes me an apology here...He called me a liar for accusing me of saying he quoted Josephus on AFF
That was Adam Clarke's words, Sean. You said ALL YOU EVER HEAR FROM US IS JOSEPHUS. ALL. Do you know what ALL means?
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Jesus said Jerusalem was the city that had the guilt of the blood of prophets and all slain on the earth in her. You won't even accept Jesus' words?

Matthew 23:35 KJV That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24 KJV And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
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Jesus said Jerusalem was the city that had the guilt of the blood of prophets and all slain on the earth in her. You won't even accept Jesus' words?

Matthew 23:35 KJV That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24 KJV And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Scripturally (Jesus) speaking, it cannot be Rome or any other city for precisely the verses Mike Blume presented. Rome in no way was or can be construde to be guilty of all the righteous blood all the way back to Able.
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Scripturally (Jesus) speaking, it cannot be Rome or any other city for precisely the verses Mike Blume presented. Rome in no way was or can be construde to be guilty of all the righteous blood all the way back to Able.
Jerusalem was where Able was killed?(or is this certain city we are discussing assigned blame for his death just because God said?)






Well, Rome killed John the baptist,numerous pre gospel figures, thousands of Jewish children, Jesus, James, most of the Apostles, including Paul. Thousands after Paul. The dark ages FULL of massacres by Rome to come...(so in reading Rev., end time believers could clearly see history)


It even propped itself up as the center of FALSE CHRISTIANITY to counterfeit the true faith in front of the whole world for 1800 years...now that is a recipe for judgement bro!!!
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Scripturally (Jesus) speaking, it cannot be Rome or any other city for precisely the verses Mike Blume presented. Rome in no way was or can be construde to be guilty of all the righteous blood all the way back to Able.
Right TWO cannot have ALL. It's either Jerusalem who had ALL according to Jesus or NO ONE ELSE! ANYONE ELSE who slew saints after Jesus spoke those words could only have PART of the blood shed on earth.

Sean,

HOW CAN ROME HAVE IT ALL, when Jesus said Jerusalem did? Do you know what ALL means? If you had ALL THE LEGOS (lol) ever created up to that time back in 2008, who could anyone else LATER say they have them ALL? They don't have what you had! They cannot have ALL.
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