Why I Am A Futurist

[Sean]

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


G.S....this is how the gospel will be preached into all the world, prior to the full rise of Antichrist in Rev 16....

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


3 angels involved here, 2 of them speaking to everyone on earth.

The last one is even thoughtful enough to warn mankind of the consequences of taking the Mark of the Beast.
Mankind will have a fair warning indeed, not to take the mark.

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Matt 24 is all judgment and no resurrection. 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 is all resurrection and no judgment. Two totally different events and issues.

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Look at all the references to HIS COMING before Matt 24 to understand what Matt 24 was about.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Matthew 21:43-45 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Matthew 23:35-37 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

THAT is the coming that Matt 24 is talking about. And it's not the second coming.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Look at all the
references to HIS COMING before Matt 24 to understand what Matt 24 was about.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Matthew 21:43-45 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Matthew 23:35-37 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

THAT is the coming that Matt 24 is talking about. And it's not the second coming.

I don't have a problem buying into some of your A. D. 70 but just as you take quickly literally I take come literally.

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I don't have a problem buying into some of your A. D. 70 but just as you take quickly literally I take come literally.

How can you take come literally in Matt 21:40. How can you take it literally in Matt 16:28 and Matt 10:23? He did literally come, though. LITERAL means "in the sense the text intended for us to understand it." So if the text intended a non physical coming, then technically it is literally true He came in AD70.

Read this. God USED ROME as He used ASSYRIA and said it was HIS ANGER.

Isaiah 10:5-6 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. (6) I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

[good samaritan]

When scripture says for not seal up the words in this book. I take that literally. The words are not sealed up there in the Bible. If anyone tells me they understand indisputably everything in the book of revelation I question there integrity.

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

When scripture says for not seal up the words in this book. I take that literally. The words are not sealed up there in the Bible. If anyone tells me they understand indisputably everything in the book of revelation I question there integrity.

The words being sealed is describing this sort of thing:

Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

They're NOT sealed now like they were before John. That mean WE CAN KNOW if we study prayerfully and seek God.

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I certainly don't know everything for sure. lol But to say no one CAN know the overall prophecy correctly is patently wrong in my opinion. the books are not sealed. That means they are not something we cannot know. Where did this idea come from that Revelation cannot be known? I heard many say it. The word REVELATION and APOCALYPSE means REVEALED! It's not the book of HIDING. It's the book of REVEALING.

And everyone in John's day was meant to KNOW what John wrote. Because the books were UNSEALED unlike Daniels' day. It's a horrible tragedy for folks to say we cannot know the Book of Revelation and prophecy since the book is unsealed.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I certainly don't know everything for sure. lol But to say no one CAN know the overall prophecy correctly is patently wrong in my opinion. the books are not sealed. That means they are not something we cannot know. Where did this idea come from that Revelation cannot be known? I heard many say it. The word REVELATION and APOCALYPSE means REVEALED! It's not the book of HIDING. It's the book of REVEALING.

And everyone in John's day was meant to KNOW what John wrote. Because the books were UNSEALED unlike Daniels' day. It's a horrible tragedy for folks to say we cannot know the Book of Revelation and prophecy since the book is unsealed.

If everyone in John's day was meant to know what he was talking about, why did practically nobody after 70 AD know what he was talking about until at least several centuries later?

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If everyone in John's day was meant to know what he was talking about, why did practically nobody after 70 AD know what he was talking about until at least several centuries later?

They certainly did for centuries. But a lot of those who were writing at the time destroyed writings of others, and most of the early writings have not even been translated yet.

But this all takes away from the need to focus on God and seek Him. It's like so many judge things by what others say. Like one preacher I know who did not even believe God could speak to him now and it was all because he saw how many claimed that and were nutcases.

There's too many variables to caught up in extrabiblical evidence. In the end, the word stands alone. That's good enough for me.