BUMP...please tell me if this is who I think it is? Or someone else!
Probably Bro. Brown from Napa... if Bro.Price is going...but just because they are going I don't think they will have to leave the UPC .....not sure...
sounds like an excuse to have more "Elders" to me.
hey, Ive got a great Idea for them. they need 490 Elders. you know the whole Forgive 7 times 70. That way they wont run short of "positions" and at the same time can prove their forgivness of their unenlightened brothers!
i refer you to Charlie Brown.
Good Grief.
Great idea, Ferd. That would increase the pool of positions to offer.
Probably Bro. Brown from Napa... if Bro.Price is going...but just because they are going I don't think they will have to leave the UPC .....not sure...
I would be very surprised if Bro. Price planned on leaving UPC!
I would be very surprised if Bro. Price planned on leaving UPC!
CM, I wouldn't be surprised if Bro. Price went, but I would be suprised if Bro. Brown did, if he did it would be because of the former (IMO). Allard surprises me, I really doubt that one, and I thought that the Shoemake thing was up in the air. There is no doubt though that CA is going to be taking a lot of hits.
Well I am curious about the whole thing and who will go and who will stay and the resons why... is res 4 a good excuse or the real reason...personally in my opinon leaving over TV is just such a small thing to seperate over...I would like it a lot though if the oranization took a more liberal stance on things and learned to fellowship with other churchs...
Well I am curious about the whole thing and who will go and who will stay and the resons why... is res 4 a good excuse or the real reason...personally in my opinon leaving over TV is just such a small thing to seperate over...I would like it a lot though if the oranization took a more liberal stance on things and learned to fellowship with other churchs...
STS, the folks that are leaving now, by and large see Res4 as final straw.
They feel that the UPCI has been moving in a direction they do not like for many years, and while they stood and fought for a long time, they see this as proof of a rising tide against them.
I dare say the vast vast vast majority of these men are standing on conviction and simply have decided that it is better to withdraw and stay faithful to their belief.
It does seem to some of us that there are a few who see this as an opportunity. I think everyone hopes this doesnt become a bitter struggle.
When the AMF was formed, there was bad blood on both sides with hard words and actions done by many who stayed and many who left.
I pray this time that both sides can find their own way with kindness even if each side is very different in their beliefs.
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STS, the folks that are leaving now, by and large see Res4 as final straw.
They feel that the UPCI has been moving in a direction they do not like for many years, and while they stood and fought for a long time, they see this as proof of a rising tide against them.
I dare say the vast vast vast majority of these men are standing on conviction and simply have decided that it is better to withdraw and stay faithful to their belief.
It does seem to some of us that there are a few who see this as an opportunity. I think everyone hopes this doesnt become a bitter struggle.
When the AMF was formed, there was bad blood on both sides with hard words and actions done by many who stayed and many who left.
I pray this time that both sides can find their own way with kindness even if each side is very different in their beliefs.
ferd, thanks again for a thoughtful and worthwhile post IMO.
In my pondering of the whole 'realignment' motion enabled during seasons like this, I am concerned that there is a missing part involving a setting where I feel compelled to ask..."are we fellowshipping with likemindedness or are we demanding likemindedness?".
Fellowship networks are the only sustainable manner in which a diverse membership can have means to connect and serve common goals. Without such a premise, each member gradually becomes an unintended subject under a denomination or a some kind of enabling legislation via an organizational manual.
I hope the dialogue that happens in Tulsa can grapple with new structures for defining how the individual members connect.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
I know of several who are going, but not planning on leaving the organization. That will be the case for me if I go, ....mainly to get the facts straight......you know how it can be when you HEAR what went on instead of SEEING what happened.........
CM, I wouldn't be surprised if Bro. Price went, but I would be suprised if Bro. Brown did, if he did it would be because of the former (IMO). Allard surprises me, I really doubt that one, and I thought that the Shoemake thing was up in the air. There is no doubt though that CA is going to be taking a lot of hits.
There are a couple of Allard's in Ca. One would not surprise me at all.
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