The Key to Salvation is... the Book of Acts...

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Joelel...

The 120 in the Upper Room were speaking in an unknown tongue to them.... they were Gallileans.. and yet they were speaking multiple langauges...

Are you denying that speaking in Tongues is not a part of the New Birth??

and if you are...You are Wrong... it is very important for the New Believer to be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues....which are unknown to the speaker... as they were unknown to those who were in the Upper Room... which were made known to those who did not have the Holy Ghost but was a witness to them by a Supernatural Work of God...



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Something I've been musing lately. I've been studying original language some. I'm realizing that some passages don't say quite what I thought they did.

What if the passage describing the day of Pentecost is one of those places that has a different meaning in Greek than in English? What if that meaning can't be reconciled with what's being taught in Pentecostal churches?

Don't really want an answer, just something I've been pondering. There are a few other passages that would completely shatter my world view if they weren't what I thought they were. I've been thinking over how I might handle that.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Following the Book...and using the Key to walk thru the Door into the Throne Room of God...

Repentance...

Baptism in Jesus Name...

and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in an unknown tongue...

Anything else is a Half-truth, if not false Doctrine...

The 120 including Mary the mother of Jesus and his brothers were there...

Even Mary who carried the Christ child had to be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues....

Three steps is a complete misnomer..it is the entire experiance of the infilling and indwelling of God's Spirit in Man....

Anything else is simply not acceptable... how could it be??

Unless you take out the entire Book of the Acts of the Apostles...

Then the Comforter is of none importance and effect only impressionistic on the soul man instead of the infilling of the Holy Ghost...

God is the judge we know..but when it comes that time for me and you to stand before him... What will your answer be when you tell him you didn't believe His Spirit in You was necessary for Salvation... and His Plan wasn't your Plan??

I will tell you...YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!! And it's not just acceptance of a Good Word...but you MUST BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST!..... It's the only way a Supernatural Change will come into to your life...

period...

That whole speach without once mentioning the Cross of Calvary.

You go by way of Acts 2:38 once.

You do not dip again when falling short in your walk.

You go back to the plan of Gods salvation.

His shedding "His" blood for you, before the foundations of the World.

Some spend their entire ministry preaching about what they have to do to be saved.

And gloss right over what God did for us...

I know you assume the world knows as you mention Acts 2:38 you lump in the cross by repentance.

The sinner on the street has no way of knowing Repentance equals the cross...

You simply need to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified.

To them that believe "The preaching of the Cross". It is the power of God.

Do not put your repentance as a type of the Cross in the literal meaning of what Christ did for you.

Get a vision of the sorrow, shame and anguish he suffered for you.

Then repent and .....

SO many want to repent and call that their cross experience.

Your belief is Jesus dying for your sins preceeds repentance.

Otherwise your repentance is sorrow and not a turning of one's heart from sin towards the Cross of Calvary....

There is a deeper meaning for me regarding the cross of calvary then just a step in a salvational formula...

I do not overlook Acts 2:38.

I preach the cross as the starting place for a sinner to repent.

How will they know the cross if all you preach is Acts 2:38.



Period.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Something I've been musing lately. I've been studying original language some. I'm realizing that some passages don't say quite what I thought they did.

What if the passage describing the day of Pentecost is one of those places that has a different meaning in Greek than in English? What if that meaning can't be reconciled with what's being taught in Pentecostal churches?

Don't really want an answer, just something I've been pondering. There are a few other passages that would completely shatter my world view if they weren't what I thought they were. I've been thinking over how I might handle that.

What have you found and what text are you studing?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

That whole speach without once mentioning the Cross of Calvary.

You go by way of Acts 2:38 once.

You do not dip again when falling short in your walk.

You go back to the plan of Gods salvation.

His shedding "His" blood for you, before the foundations of the World.

Some spend their entire ministry preaching about what they have to do to be saved.

And gloss right over what God did for us...

I know you assume the world knows as you mention Acts 2:38 you lump in the cross by repentance.

The sinner on the street has no way of knowing Repentance equals the cross...

You simply need to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified.

To them that believe "The preaching of the Cross". It is the power of God.

Do not put your repentance as a type of the Cross in the literal meaning of what Christ did for you.

Get a vision of the sorrow, shame and anguish he suffered for you.

Then repent and .....

SO many want to repent and call that their cross experience.

Your belief is Jesus dying for your sins preceeds repentance.

Otherwise your repentance is sorrow and not a turning of one's heart from sin towards the Cross of Calvary....

There is a deeper meaning for me regarding the cross of calvary then just a step in likeness to his death...

Period.

Without Calvary the Book of Acts would have not Been written.. Most here on AFF already that know that... We are not talking to sinners on this forum...I can understand your point in dealing with Sinners..but here people are educated as to the Work of Calvary and the Book of Acts... but some here try to cheapen the Gospel's Work by negating what the Word of God says we must to do to be complete in Him...

a Good Point to prove though ... Romans...Corinthians and so on were written to folks who had already been filled with the Holy Ghost... who understood what the New Birth was.... many try apply these writings to new believers when preaching salvation leaving Acts out... but in fact just as I wrote to those here on AFF that already believe and are filled with the Holy Ghost... Paul was writing to Churches already filled believers also...

Thanks..

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Joelel...

The 120 in the Upper Room were speaking in an unknown tongue to them.... they were Gallileans.. and yet they were speaking multiple langauges...

Are you denying that speaking in Tongues is not a part of the New Birth??

and if you are...You are Wrong... it is very important for the New Believer to be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues....which are unknown to the speaker... as they were unknown to those who were in the Upper Room... which were made known to those who did not have the Holy Ghost but was a witness to them by a Supernatural Work of God...



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Yes they were all Gallileans but the people that was hearing them speak spoke different langauges and they was hearing in their own langauges.

1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5: And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6: Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7: And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8: And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9: Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10: Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11: Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12: And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13: Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14: But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yes they were all Gallileans but but the people that was hearing them speak spoke different langauges and they was hearing in their own langauges.

1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5: And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6: Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7: And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8: And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9: Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10: Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11: Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12: And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13: Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14: But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

Not doubting any of this.. but the tongue they were speaking in was still unknown to they who were speaking in tongues..do you deny this??

[Joelel]

On the day of Pentecost tongues was understood.What did Paul say about tongues that were not understood?Paul wrote in Cor. 14: 1: Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.2: For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.4: He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.5: I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Joelel

On the day of Pentecost tongues was understood.What did Paul say about tongues that were not understood?Paul wrote in Cor. 14: 1: Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.2: For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.4: He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.5: I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

Joelel,

Your a bit off subject... answer the question..Did the Gallileans on the Day of Pentecost speak in a unknown tongue to them or not?

You know the answer...they did... the Gallileans were speaking in languages of far off lands.... don't evade the issue here..

I will say that if you haven't repented or been baptized in Jesus Name and been filled with the Holy Ghost I pray that you will soon... It will be the greatest experiance of your life...

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Not doubting any of this.. but the tongue they were speaking in was still unknown to they who were speaking in tongues..do you deny this??

Yes it was unknown to the about 120 who were speaking but the about 3000 that was hearing was hearing in their own tongue.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yes it was unknown to the about 120 who were speaking but the about 3000 that was hearing was hearing in their own tongue.

And when the 3000 who were filled with the Holy Ghost do you think that they spoke in a Known tongue to them?