TD Jakes on the Godhead - Page 2

rrford · #11 03-20-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro

ummmmm, I was there about a month back and I'm sure I saw some of his books....

If that is the case then they have changed their position on his books.

An author search of their website shows only Hadassa. And probably because he is listed as the secondary author.

Malvaro · #12 03-20-2007, 11:19 AM

it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw some of his books.... I'll make sure to check that next time I go....

CC1 · #13 03-20-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I understand particularly you last observation. I have never understood why someone would be reluctant to use the language used by the writers of the Bible. Since I am certain in my concept of the Godhead I use the terms freely as used in scripture without doing injustice to the Oneness of God. However Jakes intent I feel is to accomodate without clarity for he knows clarity would be his enemy and not his friend.

Good post. I agree with your analysis and it applies to both TD Jakes and Christ Church.

I happen to agree with it though. If you believe, as I do, that the differences in trinitarian and Oneness theology are not a matter of heaven or hell then you can afford to be non confrontational with your differences from conventional Christian theology regarding the godhead.

I think it is possible that this stance opens some doors to people considering altering their views than sometimes the hardcore position does.

I am pleased that T.D. Jakes statement says that he 100% of the time baptizes in the name of Jesus per scripture.

I think slowly but surely many of these exUPCers are making an impact in Christendom. I don't see the rabid (to use an rkentsmith word) opposition to baptism in Jesus name as much as I used to. Even TBN has softened it's hardline against it as so many exUPCers associated with them now apparently have had an impact. (BTW channel surfing a couple of days ago and saw Steve Munsey. He looks awful. I wonder what happened to his face.)

rrford · #14 03-20-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro

ummmmm, I was there about a month back and I'm sure I saw some of his books....

Mal, check out this link:

http://www.charismamag.com/display.p...1158&print=yes

Malvaro · #15 03-20-2007, 11:24 AM

Tenney still preaches in some AOG churches though....

Scott Hutchinson · #16 03-20-2007, 11:26 AM

Here is some info on the early Trinity creeds.
These should work.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/indenity/trinity.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers

Scott Hutchinson · #17 03-20-2007, 11:27 AM

One works anyways.

CC1 · #18 03-20-2007, 11:30 AM

When we have communion at Christ Church (one Sunday a month) we recite the Apostles Creed together before communion. We only have changed the word "catholic" in the creed since a lot of people don't realize it simply means "universal" and would think we are endorsing the Roman Catholic Church.

I like it because the creed sums up pretty much the entire concept of Chrisitanity in a short simple saying. It brings to your mind once again the broad scope of man's condition, God's solution, and what is to come in eternity.

Pressing-On · #19 03-20-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Elder Epley,

I have never had the problems with trinitarians that most OP's do. I believe our view of the Godhead is more accurate but I don't think they are worshipping "3 gods" or a "fasle god" etc.

The trinitarian view is quite clear that they believe in monotheism and one God. OP's just don't agree with the extent to which they give seperate personalities to each component making up God.

For example I think a person can quite clearly see that the New Testament example of water baptism is in the name of Jesus while still being a trinitarian.

Am I comfortable with the trinitarian view of God? NO! I have sat in services where a prayer sounds like an organizational chart as they ask Jesus to talk to God the Father, etc, etc.

However I have also seen OP's be afraid of verbage that they think seperates God when that same verbage is directly in the New Testament. Many times from the mouth of Jesus himself as he talks about the Father.

CC1,
I agree with your comments. Even David Bernard says that most people that say they are Trinitarian are meaning the same thing as TD Jakes. They believe there is one God. My mother is an example of that. Two of my sister's are Baptist and they believe that Jesus is God.

CC1 · #20 03-20-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

CC1,
I agree with your comments. Even David Bernard says that most people that say they are Trinitarian are meaning the same thing as TD Jakes. They believe there is one God. My mother is an example of that. Two of my sister's are Baptist and they believe that Jesus is God.

A few months ago I was discussing this with a friend of mind. He was telling me about when he was in college a very...er....strong minded Oneness Pentecostal friend of his went home with him to visit his grandparents for the weekend. My friends grandfather was a retired Baptist or Methodist preacher (I forget which).

The Oneness Pentecostal college kid decided to take the opportunity of his visit to show this old man the error of his ways and lead him to the Oneness view of God. The funny thing was that by the end of the visit the college kid came to understand that he and the old man pretty much shared the same view of God although they used different verbage to describe it.