Judge Not - Page 2

stmatthew · #11 05-25-2008, 05:36 PM

Sis Alvear, is there ever a time to judge? Can we not judge the preaching of a preacher according to scripture without judging the person?

Was Paul judging when he stated that Demas loved the present world, and had forsaken him?

Sometimes when something that is not from God is presented as God, a Christian must stand up and call false doctrine, false doctrine. Is this judging?

Sister Alvear · #12 05-25-2008, 06:02 PM

Matthew, I believe there is a time to judge. The Bible says there is a time for all things however even when we judge we must manifest the fruits of the spirit and love. Love does not mean we agree with everything but we can disagree in the right spirit.

Sister Alvear · #13 05-25-2008, 06:11 PM

I often think of this passage: "Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge."

"There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who
are you to judge another?"
- Ja 4:11-12

Sister Alvear · #14 05-25-2008, 06:15 PM

All our judgments must be guided by righteous standards. Only God, who knows each individual's heart, can make final judgments of individuals.

Rhoni · #15 05-25-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Matthew, I believe there is a time to judge. The Bible says there is a time for all things however even when we judge we must manifest the fruits of the spirit and love. Love does not mean we agree with everything but we can disagree in the right spirit.

Sis. Alvear, just how is that done? I had a UPCI minister recently ask me out on a date. He asked me what church that I attended. He said, "I hear your Pastor's wife cuts her hair, wears pants, and makeup." To which I said, "Absolutely and so do I." To which he asked, "All three?" To which I replied, "Yes."

Just made me to know that I have been there, done that, and never want to go back; the tee-shirt does not fit any longer. That attitude, that spirit, and where is the love..I want to know. Does that love really exist or is it just a fantasy?

Just curious, Rhoni

Cindy · #16 05-25-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis. Alvear, just how is that done? I had a UPCI minister recently ask me out on a date. He asked me what church that I attended. He said, "I hear your Pastor's wife cuts her hair, wears pants, and makeup." To which I said, "Absolutely and so do I." To which he asked, "All three?" To which I replied, "Yes."

Just made me to know that I have been there, done that, and never want to go back; the tee-shirt does not fit any longer. That attitude, that spirit, and where is the love..I want to know. Does that love really exist or is it just a fantasy?

Just curious, Rhoni

Well maybe if you had said only one or two huh?............

Sister Alvear · #17 05-25-2008, 06:50 PM

Often I read this chapter:

Therefore be merciful,
even as your Father is also merciful.
Don't judge,
and you won't be judged.
Don't condemn,
and you won't be condemned.
Set free,
and you will be set free.
"Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will be given to you. For with the same measure you measure it will be measured back to you."
He spoke a parable to them. "Can the blind guide the blind? Won't they both fall into a pit? A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. Why do you see the speck of chaff that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? Or how can you tell your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck of chaff that is in your eye,' when you yourself don't see the beam that is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck of chaff that is in your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37-42

Sister Alvear · #18 05-25-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis. Alvear, just how is that done? I had a UPCI minister recently ask me out on a date. He asked me what church that I attended. He said, "I hear your Pastor's wife cuts her hair, wears pants, and makeup." To which I said, "Absolutely and so do I." To which he asked, "All three?" To which I replied, "Yes."

Just made me to know that I have been there, done that, and never want to go back; the tee-shirt does not fit any longer. That attitude, that spirit, and where is the love..I want to know. Does that love really exist or is it just a fantasy?

Just curious, Rhoni

Rhoni, love does really exist but we have to work at it. It is so easy to get in the judgement mode and we really do not realize it. That is why we must seach our heart and our motives.
I think of the words of the writer that said if we measure ourselves by ourselves we are not wise.
Romans 2:1 says,

Therefore you are without excuse, every man of you who passes judgment, for in that you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

When people come to me telling me someone´s shoutcomings ( or what they judge to be shortcomings) I cringe for generally they are condemning their ownself...

A French proverb states, "To know all is to forgive all." This saying is somewhat similar to the more commonly known, "There but for the grace of God go I."

Sister Alvear · #19 05-25-2008, 07:02 PM

If I err let it be on the side of mercy...

RevDWW · #20 05-25-2008, 07:09 PM

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

If I am "Pentecostal" to the max but do exhibit His love I am nothing, and one day will hear "depart from me I never knew you".................