Thou Shalt Not Take The Name..........

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

it has to do with speaking

Psa 139:19 Oh that you would slay the wicked, O God! O men of blood, depart from me!
Psa 139:20 They speak against you with malicious intent; your enemies take your name in vain!

lift from hebrew "take up"

See how this is used

Num 23:7 And Balaam took up his discourse and said, "From Aram Balak has brought me, the king of Moab from the eastern mountains: 'Come, curse Jacob for me, and come, denounce Israel!'

Isa 14:4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: "How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased!

Job 27:1 And Job again took up his discourse, and said:
Job 27:2 "As God lives, who has taken away my right, and the Almighty, who has made my soul bitter,

Psa 81:1 To the choirmaster: according to The Gittith. Of Asaph. Sing aloud to God our strength; shout for joy to the God of Jacob!
Psa 81:2 Raise a song; sound the tambourine, the sweet lyre with the harp.

Keil and Delitzsch
The word prohibits all employment of the name of God for vain and unworthy objects, and includes not only false swearing, which is condemned in Lev_19:12 as a profanation of the name of Jehovah, but trivial swearing in the ordinary intercourse of life, and every use of the name of God in the service of untruth and lying, for imprecation, witchcraft, or conjuring; whereas the true employment of the name of God is confined to “invocation, prayer, praise, and thanksgiving,” which proceeds from a pure, believing heart. The natural heart is very liable to transgress this command, and therefore it is solemnly enforced by the threat, “for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless” (leave him unpunished), etc

Lev 19:12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.Lev 24:15 And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin.
Lev 24:16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

blasphemy
A primitive root; to puncture, literally (to perforate, with more or less violence) or figuratively (to specify, designate, libel): - appoint, blaspheme, bore, curse, express, with holes, name, pierce, strike through.

Swear
1) to swear, adjure
1a) (Qal) sworn (participle)
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to swear, take an oath
1b2) to swear (of Jehovah by Himself)
1b3) to curse
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to cause to take an oath
1c2) to adjure

when this is really bad is when we swear or call God as witness and are lying or being trivial (joking)

ISBE
David's sin is an occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme
2Sa 12:13 And David said to Nathan, I have sinned against Jehovah. And Nathan said to David, Jehovah also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
2Sa 12:14 Only, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of Jehovah to blaspheme, this child born to you shall surely die.

Blasphemy in other places
A primitive root; to scorn; or (Ecc_12:5) by interchange for H5132, to bloom: - abhor, (give occasion to) blaspheme, contemn, despise, flourish, X great, provoke.
Psa 74:18 Remember how the enemy hurls insults, O Lord, and how a foolish nation blasphemes your name!

The NET has
Lev 24:16 and one who misuses the name of the Lord must surely be put to death. The whole congregation must surely stone him, whether he is a foreigner or a native citizen; when he misuses the Name he must be put to death.

Remember we are commanded to "Hallow" his name.

We are to call on His name and Bless it.

Brother, I am not arguing that there aren't other places in the Bible that would speak on the issue of using the name of God in a profane manner. I was speaking specifically of the command in the Ten Commandments, which is widely used as the reasoning behind not cussing in such manner, as not referring to cussing but of it having a much deeper application.

[tamor]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

OMG means Oh my goodness to me.

Me too, MrsMcD.....

[MissBrattified]

If the only name of God we are not to take in "vain" is "Jesus", then what name were the Israelites supposed to treat respectfully? Jehovah?

I agree with your "deeper" take, Rico. It has scriptural validity. But I think that meaning would include the more common definition of speaking respectfully about God, and refraining from using His name or titles disrespectfully.

As far as cursing is concerned, using the word "God" with other curse words, or using the name "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" as a curse or expletive, in my opinion, is disrespectful at best. Other obscene words, defined culturally, are simply out of keeping with Christian speech and conduct, but don't necessarily fall under the "name in vain" commandment.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, I am not arguing that there aren't other places in the Bible that would speak on the issue of using the name of God in a profane manner. I was speaking specifically of the command in the Ten Commandments, which is widely used as the reasoning behind not cussing in such manner, as not referring to cussing but of it having a much deeper application.

i addressed it brother. to 'take' is to speak. like taking up this proverb

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Excellent approach. Here is a site that might assist you in other such investigations:

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/l...gs=H0001&t=KJV

Here you have two of the best lexicons for doing word studies, Gesenius (Hebrew) and Thayer (Greek). While they may not be quite as complete as the printed versions, they are still excellent.

The advantage of using lexicons is that you can also derive the parts of speech, and how a particular word in Hebrew or Greek is used in a particular passage. You can also research their roots and how the Greek and Hebrew words are related and applied in both the Old and New Testaments. Sometimes you will discover that the English translation selected the "wrong word" in the book. As an exercise, use a good Greek lexicon and do a word study on the English term, Godhead.

Dictionary's are nice and handy for quick and dirty word definitions, but they can also lead you astray.

May your studies be fruitful.

Thayer is not the best greek lexicon. As a dictionary it is better than strongs at times though. Both are outdated. Brown Driver and Briggs is good for the OT.

But a dictionary is not a lexicon and Rico simply looked up the word in the dictionary

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thayer is not the best greek lexicon. As a dictionary it is better than strongs at times though. Both are outdated. Brown Driver and Briggs is good for the OT.

But a dictionary is not a lexicon and Rico simply looked up the word in the dictionary

Strong's is more than a dictionary, Brother.

[rrford]

This particular commmandment, like all of the others, is a rule based upon a principle. The rule is: "Thou shalt not take the name of the the Lord thy God in vain." The principle is: His name is primary to the expression of who He is and as such it is to be revered.

We should avoid all profain, vain, trivial and senseless uses of His names and titles, IMO. There is indeed a reason He gave us this principle in the OT. It is further enhanced in the NT when we study how He expects us to speak while possessing His Spirit. It is a no-brainer to me to avoid such language.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

Strong's is more than a dictionary, Brother.

Strongs is not a lexicon. it is a concordance (shows where words are used) and gives the definitions (dictionary)

often the definitions are lumped under one catagory that is misleading

Example
Greek 'one'
Strongs often just has heis but there are three greek words hen heis and mia which are the neuter, masculine and feminine forms.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Rico

Strong's is more than a dictionary, Brother.

Rico,

In many ways it is merely a glorified dictionary. It gives a systematic listing of words with their basic meanings. Beyond that it has little real literary value. Lexicons are much more in depth.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

In many ways it is merely a glorified dictionary. It gives a systematic listing of words with their basic meanings. Beyond that it has little real literary value. Lexicons are much more in depth.

exactly