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07-19-2008, 01:11 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
I didn't realize you had started this thread. It kinda goes hand in hand with the thread I started today on becoming an ex-pentecostal. Brodana, what do you think the stages are that one goes through in becoming an ex-pentecostal?
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07-19-2008, 01:19 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by brodano
why would one really leave truth for a lie?
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I have a suggestion on who you might ask but if I named them I would probably get in trouble.
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07-19-2008, 01:22 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by brodano
in my years as a apostolic oneness beliver i have seen many walk away from this PRECIOUS TRUTH. how can a person live for a lie and not DIE FOR TRUTH. it is a shame . many leave because of holiness standards or just plain attitudes. A PERSON WOULD REALLY WONDER IF THEY REALLY HAD A TRUE EXPERIENCE WITH GOD...
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Are people walking aware from an experience or a doctrine? Martin Luther walked away from indulgences and the Catholic church. Was he wrong?
Our forefathers got the experience first back in topeka and Asuza and walked away from Trinitarian baptism and the Trinity...were they wrong?
Maybe OPs are caught in a paradigm. The RCC is caught in a Paradigm. It will never change. Maybe, just maybe we were wrong about some things all this time
If it was not for the boldness of Luther, where would we be? If it was not for the daring of those men early in the last century that accepted baptism in Jesus name contrary to accepted doctrine and tradition, where would we be.
We moved foreward, came to a path in the road and then essentially went backwards. Im not saying standards are wrong or they are all right. Im saying we went forward years ago with the ability to examine ourselves and our doctrines and see if we are right and then go with what the bible says to a place where if you dare examine our doctrines you are a carnal backsliding reprobate. The peer pressure in Oneness groups is tremendous. Tradition trumps bible. We even have oaths forbidding to even consider that some of our doctrines might be wrong. That is sad.
I disagree with Robert Sabin but he wrote a good piece against the A/S that essentially points out this was what put the catholic churches in a losing paradigm. The inability to examine your beliefs and change them. The only way to possibly do that is to leave an organization you loved and be ostracized, marginalized and trashed by your so called brethren
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07-19-2008, 01:24 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by Rico
I didn't realize you had started this thread. It kinda goes hand in hand with the thread I started today on becoming an ex-pentecostal. Brodana, what do you think the stages are that one goes through in becoming an ex-pentecostal?
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lack of prayer. and reading the Word. missing church and hangin out with the wrong crowd . if your weak in belief you can get caught up in thier snare.
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07-19-2008, 01:43 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
People leave for many reasons...I have seen missionaries walk away because they were treated like second class citizens by pastors that just a portion of their tithe would have solved the missionary´s problem..
I have seen people become bitter that the pastor´s family was treated on a different level than the rest of the church...
I have seen people leave over just about anything and everything you can imagine...
Hurt, bitterness, deception play a big part in people leaving.
At sometime or many times we all could have turned back...and given a reason for turning back... a justified reason? well, that might be different...but...at least a reason.
Many years ago I walked in a place and caught a man and woman in bed togeter and no they were not husband and wife...He was a so called famous preacher...
I was deeply hurt and still remember wanting to die! I even prayed that I would have a car wreck and die...but as I drove around the Lord spoke to me and said these words, " Have I ever failed you, my child?"
I pulled the car over and weeping told Him, "No, my lovely Lord you have never failed..."
Always look to me and not to man, I heard him saying to me...I dried my tears...
That happened before I was married so it was many, many years ago...and through all the ups and downs of life, through all the hurts I have always remembered not to change because of hurts...if I change it will be because of God´s word...with that in mind we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
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07-19-2008, 04:40 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by brodano
why would one really leave truth for a lie?
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People don't say "This is a lie. I think I'll believe it."
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07-19-2008, 04:43 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
People leave for many reasons...I have seen missionaries walk away because they were treated like second class citizens by pastors that just a portion of their tithe would have solved the missionary´s problem..
I have seen people become bitter that the pastor´s family was treated on a different level than the rest of the church...
I have seen people leave over just about anything and everything you can imagine...
Hurt, bitterness, deception play a big part in people leaving.
At sometime or many times we all could have turned back...and given a reason for turning back... a justified reason? well, that might be different...but...at least a reason.
Many years ago I walked in a place and caught a man and woman in bed togeter and no they were not husband and wife...He was a so called famous preacher...
I was deeply hurt and still remember wanting to die! I even prayed that I would have a car wreck and die...but as I drove around the Lord spoke to me and said these words, " Have I ever failed you, my child?"
I pulled the car over and weeping told Him, "No, my lovely Lord you have never failed..."
Always look to me and not to man, I heard him saying to me...I dried my tears...
That happened before I was married so it was many, many years ago...and through all the ups and downs of life, through all the hurts I have always remembered not to change because of hurts...if I change it will be because of God´s word...with that in mind we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
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The Bible tells us that a wound caused by a brother, a friend is the hardest to heal...if ever.
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07-19-2008, 04:43 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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Originally Posted by brodano
in my years as a apostolic oneness beliver i have seen many walk away from this PRECIOUS TRUTH. how can a person live for a lie and not DIE FOR TRUTH. it is a shame . many leave because of holiness standards or just plain attitudes. A PERSON WOULD REALLY WONDER IF THEY REALLY HAD A TRUE EXPERIENCE WITH GOD...
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I agree, Brodano.
I can't believe that women now wear red dresses, when once they were taught against.
And the fact that people now have radios, go to amusement parks and wear wedding bands just grieves me.
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07-19-2008, 04:46 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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I agree, Brodano.
I can't believe that women now wear red dresses, when once they were taught against.
And the fact that people now have radios, go to amusement parks and wear wedding bands just grieves me.
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You are crankin today!!!!!!! 
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07-19-2008, 04:47 PM
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Re: How can a true beliver walk from truth
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You are crankin today!!!!!!! |
Just cranky. 
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