crimes before conversion - Page 2

rrford · #11 07-19-2008, 07:19 PM

There are five elements if genuine repentance:

1.Recognition of sin: Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Mark 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

2. Confession of sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” I John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

3. Contrition for sin: Psalm 51:17 “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” II Corinthians 7:10 “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

4. Decision to forsake sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

5. Restitution - attempt to remedy the damage done to others. "Matthew 5:23-24 [I]“Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.”

pelathais · #12 07-19-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Suppose someone got away with some crime before they were saved. Should they make restitution for it now. or if it was seriose enough to involve incarceration, should they turn themselves in?

ARPH

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

You're a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things have past, behold all things are new.

I hope you or someone else didn't murder someone though.

Not many people know this but before he was saved, 1Corinth2v1 was the guy he used scotch tape to prevent the outside security door at the Watergate office complex from latching.

pelathais · #13 07-19-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

There are five elements if genuine repentance:

1.Recognition of sin: Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Mark 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

2. Confession of sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” I John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

3. Contrition for sin: Psalm 51:17 “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” II Corinthians 7:10 “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

4. Decision to forsake sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

5. Restitution - attempt to remedy the damage done to others. "Matthew 5:23-24 “Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Luke 19:8 “And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again.”

Step One has Five Steps itself? Who then can be saved?

Cindy · #14 07-19-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

There are five elements if genuine repentance:

1.Recognition of sin: Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Mark 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

2. Confession of sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” I John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

3. Contrition for sin: Psalm 51:17 “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” II Corinthians 7:10 “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

4. Decision to forsake sin: Proverbs 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

5. Restitution - attempt to remedy the damage done to others. "Matthew 5:23-24 “Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Luke 19:8 “And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again.”

There it is, thanks Brother Ford.
When I was little and stole some candy or something, my Mom made me go to the store owner and not just pay for it, but look him in the eye and apologize. That was one of the hardest things I have had to do in my life.

rrford · #15 07-19-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Step One has Five Steps itself? Who then can be saved?

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Cindy · #16 07-19-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

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His mind ain't right, you have to just overlook that.

1Corinth2v4 · #17 07-19-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

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Ford,

I hear you're from TX? Does Mike Black ring a bell?

rrford · #18 07-19-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Ford,

I hear you're from TX? Does Mike Black ring a bell?

Yes.

1Corinth2v4 · #19 07-19-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Yes.

How's he doing? I haven't heard from him in years. Last time we spoke was at a convention here in California.

pelathais · #20 07-19-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

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I was being silly, sorry. Many people look at "repentance" as "Step One" of a three step process to fulfill Acts 2:38. Your examination of "Repentance" involded a 5 point list, hence my "5 Steps to Step One..." statement.

To understand a thing it is useful to break it down into its component parts. And for repentance, you did that very well.