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07-28-2008, 08:26 PM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
Pleading the Blood of Jesus is not begging, it is a legal term.
REVELATION 12:10-11 NKJ
10 . . . the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
The devil is our accuser. The only successful plea is the Blood of Jesus. Pleading our innocence, our merits, or our good works, will fail. Only relying on the shed Blood of our substitute sacrifice, the Lamb of God, will win our case before God the Judge.
However the enemy comes, he can be overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. We have victory over every evil because of Jesus' shed Blood.
Our lives must also be fully committed to God: we must trust Him. We must have faith in what God has done and what He is doing.
Passover
God gave instructions to the Israelites so they could escape the judgment that was to befall the Egyptians.
EXODUS 12:7,13 NKJ
7 `And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.
13 `Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
The Egyptians had no protection from the destroyer, but the people of Israel who put the blood of a lamb on their dwellings were safe.
EXODUS 12:21-23 NKJ
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb.
22 "And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning.
23 "For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.
The blood represented the Blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8). Judgment was legally avoided because of it.
The blood applied stopped the destroyer. Action was required not just belief in the blood.
PSALM 105:37 NKJ
37 He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none feeble among His tribes.
Christ Our Passover
Christ was our passover. Can we not expect Him to provide us as much protection and deliverance as the lamb did for the children of Israel in Egypt?
1 CORINTHIANS 5:7 NKJ
7 . . . For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
HEBREWS 8:6 NKJ
6 . . . He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
LUKE 22:20 NKJ
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
New Covenant believers have the right to draw a faith Blood line the devil cannot cross. By speaking words of faith we apply the Blood over the "doorposts" of our lives the outer edges of all that belongs to us.
Wherever we have authority we should apply the Blood and never leave the protection the Blood provides.
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07-28-2008, 11:04 PM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
This may be an issue that isn't one until it is made into one.
I never used this phraseology, but have probably said something similar. It is really no different than saying "In Jesus name", but probably without the power (since His name isn't being invoked).
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Converse is true, the name has power because of the blood. It was only because the blood was shed that made the name of Jesus have the legal right to all power and authority.
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Originally Posted by Berkeley
It's a charismatic thing.
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Wrong, they never do it. It is old fashioned pentecostal.
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Originally Posted by Dimples
Pleading the Blood of Jesus is not begging, it is a legal term.
REVELATION 12:10-11 NKJ
10 . . . the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
The devil is our accuser. The only successful plea is the Blood of Jesus. Pleading our innocence, our merits, or our good works, will fail. Only relying on the shed Blood of our substitute sacrifice, the Lamb of God, will win our case before God the Judge.
However the enemy comes, he can be overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. We have victory over every evil because of Jesus' shed Blood.
Our lives must also be fully committed to God: we must trust Him. We must have faith in what God has done and what He is doing.
Passover
God gave instructions to the Israelites so they could escape the judgment that was to befall the Egyptians.
EXODUS 12:7,13 NKJ
7 `And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.
13 `Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
The Egyptians had no protection from the destroyer, but the people of Israel who put the blood of a lamb on their dwellings were safe.
EXODUS 12:21-23 NKJ
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb.
22 "And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning.
23 "For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.
The blood represented the Blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8). Judgment was legally avoided because of it.
The blood applied stopped the destroyer. Action was required not just belief in the blood.
PSALM 105:37 NKJ
37 He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none feeble among His tribes.
Christ Our Passover
Christ was our passover. Can we not expect Him to provide us as much protection and deliverance as the lamb did for the children of Israel in Egypt?
1 CORINTHIANS 5:7 NKJ
7 . . . For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
HEBREWS 8:6 NKJ
6 . . . He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
LUKE 22:20 NKJ
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
New Covenant believers have the right to draw a faith Blood line the devil cannot cross. By speaking words of faith we apply the Blood over the "doorposts" of our lives the outer edges of all that belongs to us.
Wherever we have authority we should apply the Blood and never leave the protection the Blood provides.
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Well said.
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07-29-2008, 07:14 AM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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Originally Posted by Dimples
Pleading the Blood of Jesus is not begging, it is a legal term.
REVELATION 12:10-11 NKJ
10 . . . the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
The devil is our accuser. The only successful plea is the Blood of Jesus. Pleading our innocence, our merits, or our good works, will fail. Only relying on the shed Blood of our substitute sacrifice, the Lamb of God, will win our case before God the Judge.
However the enemy comes, he can be overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. We have victory over every evil because of Jesus' shed Blood.
Our lives must also be fully committed to God: we must trust Him. We must have faith in what God has done and what He is doing.
Passover
God gave instructions to the Israelites so they could escape the judgment that was to befall the Egyptians.
EXODUS 12:7,13 NKJ
7 `And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.
13 `Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
The Egyptians had no protection from the destroyer, but the people of Israel who put the blood of a lamb on their dwellings were safe.
EXODUS 12:21-23 NKJ
21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb.
22 "And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning.
23 "For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.
The blood represented the Blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8). Judgment was legally avoided because of it.
The blood applied stopped the destroyer. Action was required not just belief in the blood.
PSALM 105:37 NKJ
37 He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none feeble among His tribes.
Christ Our Passover
Christ was our passover. Can we not expect Him to provide us as much protection and deliverance as the lamb did for the children of Israel in Egypt?
1 CORINTHIANS 5:7 NKJ
7 . . . For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
HEBREWS 8:6 NKJ
6 . . . He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
LUKE 22:20 NKJ
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
New Covenant believers have the right to draw a faith Blood line the devil cannot cross. By speaking words of faith we apply the Blood over the "doorposts" of our lives the outer edges of all that belongs to us.
Wherever we have authority we should apply the Blood and never leave the protection the Blood provides.
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Good post.
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07-28-2008, 11:06 PM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
I'm on the phone with my Assemblies of God friend... he says that he pleads the blood. Oh, and he doesn't consider himself charismatic. My bad.
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07-28-2008, 11:20 PM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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Originally Posted by Berkeley
I'm on the phone with my Assemblies of God friend... he says that he pleads the blood. Oh, and he doesn't consider himself charismatic. My bad.
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AG's usually say they are Pentecostal. Some may have a more modern Praise and Worship style, like Charismatics, but Charismatic is a doctrine and the AG doctrine still comes from Springfield.
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07-29-2008, 07:06 AM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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AG's usually say they are Pentecostal. Some may have a more modern Praise and Worship style, like Charismatics, but Charismatic is a doctrine and the AG doctrine still comes from Springfield.
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...and ours comes from St Louis....won't it be great when we both get back to the bible !
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07-29-2008, 08:02 AM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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AG's usually say they are Pentecostal. Some may have a more modern Praise and Worship style, like Charismatics, but Charismatic is a doctrine and the AG doctrine still comes from Springfield.
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The Charismatics are a doctrine? I thought they were people.
Both doctrines come from the same place, Springfield?
So are the Simpsons Charismatic or A of G?
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07-29-2008, 09:02 AM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
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Originally Posted by U376977
AG's usually say they are Pentecostal. Some may have a more modern Praise and Worship style, like Charismatics, but Charismatic is a doctrine and the AG doctrine still comes from Springfield.
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AoG doctrine "comes from Springfield" about as much as UPC doctrine "comes from Hazelwood..." In other words, they wish! LOL.
Where the rubber hits the road, the "doctrine" that gets preached generally comes from the local preacher. There are trends, and people of like mind on certain issues will tend to gravitate toward similar organizations. However, especially when dealing with something as nebulous as "pleading the blood..." you'll find a variety of opinions as you travel about.
I think it was G.T. Haywood who coined the term for use in the 20th century Pentecostal movement. He wrote a large number of songs about "the blood..." and it became something of a sig line for him. I'm at work and don't have access to my library - but I believe that the lyrics in one of his songs dealing with "pleading the blood..." deal with the use of "the blood" for purposes of overcoming satan's accusations in a courtroom type setting, hence the use of the term "plead..."
The song goes on to proclaim the efficacy of the blood in healing and other issues of human affairs. Since there is no out-and-out scriptural demand that we "plead the blood" some folks are hesitant and question where the whole saying had come from. I'm not entirely certain, but I do believe that at least the popularization of the phrase can be traced to G.T. Haywood.
When I was a teen I remember a bible conference speaker giving an eintire presentation on this very subject of "Pleading the Blood." He didn't really ram an opinion down our throats and I remember it as being a rather good study, both from the Bible and from Pentecostal history.
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07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
The blood that Jesus shed for me
Way back on Calvary
Oh the blood that gives me strength from day to day
It will never lose it’s power
Cause it reaches to the highest mountain
And it flows to the lowest valley
It’s the blood that gives me strength
From day to day
It will never lose it’s power
It soothes my doubts
And calms my fears
And it dries all my tears
Oh the blood that gives me strength from day to day
It will never lose it’s power
Oh Cause it reaches to the highest mountain
And it flows to the lowest valley
It’s the blood that gives me strength
From day to day
It will never lose
It will never lose it’s power
It will never lose it’s power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-4JcZylU3c
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07-29-2008, 09:09 AM
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Re: Pleading The Blood... Is It Biblical?
Well, there is this scripture:
Ezekiel 38:22
And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
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