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Old 09-04-2008, 04:38 PM
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Re: The Assembly of God is NOT Pentecostal!!!

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oh PUHLEASE!
Read the other thread that prompted this one before you deign to be disdainful. (Sarah Palin Baptized in Jesus' Name!!!!!)
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Re: The Assembly of God is NOT Pentecostal!!!

You all are just a bunch of hate mongers and purveyors of sectarian strife. If we could just be more like the them I'm sure we would win more to the Lord.
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You all are just a bunch of hate mongers and purveyors of sectarian strife. If we could just be more like the them I'm sure we would win more to the Lord.

that pretty much discribes me.
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Re: The Assembly of God is NOT Pentecostal!!!

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This is where the newfangled "PCI" infatuation will lead Oneness Pentecostals.

Folks, you get what you preach.

It's all a matter of emphasis, or lack thereof.
Well, what do you think the emphasis should be on. Should our emphasis be on speaking in tongues and a certain style of worship.

I go to a few pentecostal churches around town such as COG and AOG and I can tell you that they are bringing back the Pentecostal experience. My biggest problem with these churches is that there doesn't seem to place an emphasis on the Bible, mostly just Pentecostal tradition.
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Pentecostal Discipleship - a desperate need in the AGFri, 08 Sep 2006 - 4:53 PM CST
During the annual Assemblies of God General Presbytery meeting held this past August in Springfield, Missouri, statistics were presented that revealed an alarming trend in the Assemblies of God that brought immediate action.

According to AG Assistant General Superintendent Charles Crabtree, last year only 25 percent of new converts followed Christ in water baptism, with only 20 percent receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

"If we continue this trend," Crabtree states, "in 10 years, we will have a very small percentage of Pentecostals in the Assemblies of God."

Another alarming statistic is that of the more than 5.3 million stated decisions for Christ in the AG over the past 10 years, the reflection in Sunday morning service saw an increase of only about 222,000 - just four percent.

"We are failing to retain the people who make decisions for Christ through our ministries," Crabtree says. "I believe that our discipleship, at this point right now, is ineffective."

As a result of these findings as well as other studies and preliminary actions, significant changes were proposed to and accepted by the General Presbytery.

First, the Commission on Christian Education and Discipleship was created with Crabtree serving as chair. The current Commission on Discipleship as well as the Sunday School Agency were dissolved.

In addition, a Small Groups and Discipleship Initiatives Department was established. This new department and the Sunday School Department will function under the direction of the newly created commission.

"We have literally thousands of small groups going, but they're not attached to an overall strategy of discipleship," Crabtree says.

Those concerned that Sunday School will suffer as a result can set their fears aside. The department is actually broadening its ministry to create curriculum and opportunities for Sunday School-style discipleship outside of the traditional Sunday-morning setting, such as home Bible studies.

Although the statistics revealed some broad, serious issues, Crabtree pinpointed the problem. He says that in the Assemblies of God, discipleship has too often meant the church body expressing love for new converts and perhaps even placing them in a class, but no one taking responsibility or "ownership."

A new convert is like a new baby, Crabtree explains. Family and friends gather about, expressing support and concern, but the parents are the ones who train and nurture the child - as well as love the child despite his or her shortcomings. Churches need to be prepared for spiritual "babies" by training up spiritual mothers and fathers who understand the significance of their commitment.

"Babies are not convenient," Crabtree adds. "They don't go by your time schedule - they're dependent. Yet, when someone asks, 'Where's the baby?,' it's vital for the spiritual life of that new convert that he or she be in caring, loving hands . . . because currently, we are losing converts by the millions."

"There is no greater need in the Assemblies of God today than for personal, ongoing Pentecostal discipleship of believers," states AG General Superintendent Thomas E. Trask. "Unless we, as a Fellowship, passionately pursue discipleship, the Assemblies of God will continue to lose millions of converts and, ultimately, our distinctive Pentecostal heritage."

According to Crabtree, with the Commission members set to be approved by the Executive Presbytery in September, the first meeting to follow in December and a report due to the General Council on the state of discipleship in August of 2007, the following steps are already in progress:

* Gospel Publishing House is working on curriculum and material for small groups

* A new Web presence is being developed for discipleship

* Churches are being identified that have "model small groups" around the country in order to help demonstrate and train other churches

* Promotion of establishing strategic small groups in the local church

* Sunday School curriculum for home Bible studies and church Bible studies that provide additional discipleship opportunities

Although Crabtree says these are all strong, positive steps, he believes that the future of the Assemblies of God lies in the hands of each church. "I pray that the Lord will awaken pastors and churches to the crisis," he says. "We can provide all of the best resources we want, but without spiritual insight in local situations and the willingness to obey the Lord's command of the Great Commission . . . without quality disciples, we simply aren't going to have quality churches."

To listen to or download a discipleship message by Crabtree presented in the Assemblies of God headquarters chapel on Tuesday, August 15, 2006, see http://ag.org/.
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Re: The Assembly of God is NOT Pentecostal!!!

I love Charles Crabtree. He's honest, straight forward and doesn't believe in sugar coating things. His burden for a long time has been better, more intensive discipleship. Charles Crabtree is true blue and the Assemblies of God lost a contender for true, authentic pentecost when he resigned.
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To listen to or download a discipleship message by Crabtree presented in the Assemblies of God headquarters chapel on Tuesday, August 15, 2006, see http://ag.org/.
The AoG has a GREAT website!
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This is where the newfangled "PCI" infatuation will lead Oneness Pentecostals.

Folks, you get what you preach.

It's all a matter of emphasis, or lack thereof.
I think if the PCI'ers were to take over the UPC, within 100 years (maybe less) we'd end up looking just like the AG.

... which, of course, is exactly what many of the PCI'ers want.
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I think if the PCI'ers were to take over the UPC, within 100 years (maybe less) we'd end up looking just like the AG.

... which, of course, is exactly what many of the PCI'ers want.
By "look like" are you talking about outer holiness standards which are upheld by the UPC, lack of those who are water and Spirit baptized, or both?
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Re: The Assembly of God is NOT Pentecostal!!!

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This is where the newfangled "PCI" infatuation will lead Oneness Pentecostals.

Folks, you get what you preach.

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This info is not some hate-filled attack from an outsider. This is directly from AOG Assistant General Superintendent Charles Crabtree.
Well thank God they are still Christian - that is at least a bit more important than being "Pentecostal", right?
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